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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1321 of 1702 01 April 2014 at 1:33am | IP Logged | ||
Interesting, thanks. You're right, it's not cheap, but then nothing related to Japan is ever cheap is it :-) I don't think I'd manage to work watching J-TV into my schedule right now, but it's good to know that there is an option if I ever run out of other sources. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1322 of 1702 02 April 2014 at 6:15am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm doing pretty well with the JFlash app on the iPhone. I'm thinking I am probably going to do without SRS for most vocabulary going forward. I was window shopping on the app store and found an app called Brainscape that looks interesting. I don't know the formula it uses but it's not anki style SRS. It doesn't have due cards and yet they call it spaced repetition but it feels more like like a Leitner thing were you just go to town doing cards and it tests the cards you get right less often than the ones you don't and introduces new cards for you as you go according to how well you're doing. It seems great. I have only played with it though. They don't offer a premium Japanese set so I can't use that and making and adding my own cards seems doable but a little problematic. The import function isn't too sophisticated and uses a CSV approach and I haven't figured out how to import multiple line cards yet. The cards are all two sided so multiple lines is kind of a must to get the kanji, kana, and English at least on side 2. And many decks I'd like to import have sentences too.
JFlash seems easier to add cards sort of. I'm thinking I'll use JFlash for a month or so and then maybe switch to Brainscape. I want to really see how well I can learn with JFlash. It's pretty fun. I can spend a couple hours a day easy doing flashcards. It's so much easier when the app is feeding you cards you know (if only recently) on purpose between new cards you don't know yet. You don't exhaust your brain and can stay sharp, focused, and interested pretty much indefinitely. With my SRS it's doing its damnedest to give me cards I suck at and that wears you down.. along with a huge review number telling you that you MUST do 200 more of these today or your dreams of learning Japanese are over... Don't get me wrong. If you do Anki or any SRS the traditional way of adding 20 new cards each day and no more and doing it every day it will work very well. But that just isn't how I study unfortunately. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1323 of 1702 02 April 2014 at 9:35am | IP Logged | ||
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せめて means at least. Wow. I thought it meant 責める or 攻める. I hear it so much and they probably mean
at least more often than not and now I finally know. Damn. It just came up in this N2 vocab deck in JFlash. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1324 of 1702 03 April 2014 at 4:21am | IP Logged | ||
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Brainscape replied that their software can handle multi line csv files so I sent them mine that isn't working. I'm hoping they reply and I can get their software going.. they hype their learning algorithm a lot on their site so it's gotten me interested.
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1325 of 1702 05 April 2014 at 7:29am | IP Logged | ||
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Well playing with Brainscape got me wanting to try out Anki again. So I have been trying to set it up all night. It's great that it has a synch feature but I've been synching all nite... wow. I'm currently just trying to get an RTK 1 and 2 deck onto my iPad to play with and then I'll try downloading this huge deck with pics and audio for 10 or 15k words. Sounds fun. I read there's a cram feature on Anki so I'm curious about that. I haven't done RTK in a while and it always makes me nostalgic for when I first did it. I think I had a week off work and spent most of the week doing it non stop I was so excited. I forgot a lot of the kanji and stories after in terms of active recall but quickly checking the English meaning of a kanji in a dictionary on my iPad quickly jogged my memory. I really loved RTK. I don't know if I need or if it'll be much help to me at this point which is why I let it slide when I thought of brushing up. I might just do it for a week and then stop again too.
I got Brainscape going ok. It's a little buggy though. The layout has two options - one where you flip the card so you see one side at a time and another where it's split. You pick one of the two when you upload your CSV file. And yet it randomly switches between the two as you do the cards. Both types work but I like seeing one side at a time. I also think that there's no way to change the font size on the iPhone version of the app. The kanji are a tad small for my liking. I think I like the learning formula it uses however. But as I mentioned previously, I got interested in trying out Anki again. One big reason I didn't get into anki was that it's a pain to learn. I think the app I use already - Flashcards Deluxe - is likely a pain to learn too. Some people put comments saying such for their reviews on the app store. I learned how to use it years ago though so no problems.. Anki however, I never go the hang of. This deck I got had English AND Polish keywords on side one for the RTK deck so I had to figure out how to remove the Polish. Now I'm trying to figure out how to add kanji stroke order font to the iPad version. There's a nice article on adding it to the PC version as a hover option and I sort of found a help file somewhere but I'm doubtful I will get it to work. The help file just gets you started but doesn't guide you the whole way through and I well am an Anki noob. Hope it works after this synch finally finishes.. (There's currently not even any Media to synch.. I don't know what the heck..) Edited by kraemder on 05 April 2014 at 7:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6544 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 1326 of 1702 05 April 2014 at 8:57am | IP Logged | ||
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The Anki synch is usually pretty quick. When I have to do a full upload or download of all my decks plus some shared decks I have, it never takes me more than a minute or two (depends on your internet connection though). As it happens, the Anki website and the webapp were moved to new servers yesterday so synching didn't work at some moments. Maybe that's why it took you so long.
I haven't used Anki for Apple but I'm pretty familiar with the desktop version so I can help you out if you need something. And make sure you read the beginning of the Anki manual and have a clear understanding of what cards, notes, and note types are; it will save you a lot of confusion later on. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1327 of 1702 05 April 2014 at 9:01am | IP Logged | ||
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I figured out i cant play on my ipad anki while my desktop synchs. oh well. I'll ask if I can't figure out how to get the stroke order fonts going. I think it'll be another hour or so for this synch though.
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1328 of 1702 05 April 2014 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Decided to update while Anki synches... I really wish I could use my mobile device while my desktop sent media to the server and vice versa. Anyway.
I got the stroke order fonts going fine. At one AM I wasn't seeing the brackets clearly I guess? I immediately saw my mistake this morning though when I looked at it and it's fine. Well probably. I have to get it to pull up on my iPhone but the stroke order font looks great on the desktop Anki. My eyes are bigger than my ability to study I'm sure. I have grabbed the following decks off of Anki: 8547 Japanese Sentences from the 日本語文法辞典 Core 2k/6k/10k further optimized PIC/SOUND (yes this is cause of the synch issues last night) Core 2k/6k/10k Supplement of additional 15k words (I haven't opend this I don't know if it installed correctly.. maybe it comes with everything suspended..) Heisig's Remember the Kanji 1-3 w/top 2 community stories Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese Grammar (Clozed Delete) Gengo Grammar Alt Right now I'm going to attack the Core deck using the recognition option. Going through from the beginning so I'm suspending any card I don't care to study which is a lot but I'm keeping stuff like counters in there for review since I need it. And there's a bit of vocab that is probably basic but I just don't use and need the review.. 大抵 being a good example. I just started at it thinking what is this... so that will stay in. A big thing I didn't like about my SRS deck verse the JFlash app was that the JFlash app was constantly mixing in vocab that I kind of knew but hadn't mastered. Anki isn't going to do that. But it has a feature where I can review something in 10 min so I can just press that button a lot if I want to I guess. I guess if you're crammed for time then Anki's method is superior but if you have a couple hours throughout the day then the JFlash method seems better to me. I'm going to have to figure out how to add rikai and audio etc. to anki. I know it has a feature for this sort of built into rikai already so hopefully not too hard. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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