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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1473 of 1702 22 September 2014 at 11:26am | IP Logged | |||||
Do you know that you can get the official mock test here?
I really do wonder how much listening I'm going to have to do to get to this point :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1474 of 1702 22 September 2014 at 11:31am | IP Logged | |||||
Which of the books would this be? I have the grammar book, which I'm working through now, and the reading book, which I've yet to try to use for study. I'm sure I'd never manage the grammar book in 11 weeks ... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1475 of 1702 22 September 2014 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I own all 5 in the series. But I'm not using the
listening comprehension and I just decided to skip the kanji one too. So I'll be trying to get through the grammar, vocab, and Reading books. I'm hoping it's doable. I will cut corners if needed and I'll let you know how it goes. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1476 of 1702 23 September 2014 at 11:57am | IP Logged | |||||
The grammar book covers over 200 (but I think less than 300) grammar points, so it's all down to how many you can cover each day and still retain them. I started to make anki cards for the N3 日本語総まとめ book (which covers fewer grammar points and in less detail too). If you're going to go through all the exercises too (which I think would be helpful) then that's quite a lot of work. The reading book doesn't seem so intense, but I've not yet tackled that one. I suppose I should get cracking on it sometime soon. I did see an excerpt of the vocab book (can't remember if it was an old 新完全マスター or a 日本語総まとめ) but it seemed to be a collection of related vocabulary, perhaps 30 words per page. So maybe 2000-4000 words. I always find vocabulary the easiest to handle (make an Anki card and let SRS worry about it). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1477 of 1702 29 September 2014 at 8:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well end week one. I had some distractions.. and didn't achieve all the goals I set but I did make progress. I SRS'd the vocab book.. starting with Japanese in IOS then over the weekend I decided that I wasn't absorbing it well enough so redid it in my SRS app Flashcards Deluxe with pics/sound. Now I'm studying both ways - production and recognition. I got through most of the reading. I found that looking up a few words gave me a -lot- more confidence in picking the right answer so that shows how important vocabulary is. I'm also noticing words repeating between the different readings. So, unfortunately, I don't think ignoring reading and focusing only on vocab vocab vocab isn't going to work as well (IE SRS cards). I finally got into the grammar book on Sunday (today). It's always the thing I procrastinate the most. I am a believer in SRS so I am basically taking the grammar points, looking them up in the Dictionary of Grammar series i have from the Japan Times which has excellent English explanations and translations and using that for a base to make SRS cards. I've done this in the past and it worked very very well when I actually studied them. Not so often but then I had my class at school with a teacher that drilled us on these points constantly. I would like to go back and do the vocab and grammar exercises later after some SRS has sunk in but that's assuming I have time. I'll probably be stuck spending time making more SRS cards =/. It would be helpful though so we'll see. I hope to be more focused for week two.
For Korean, I spent more time on it than I had hoped (hence I'm behind on Japanese). I ended up ripping about 270 words out of a Memrise deck I liked that goes with How to Study Korean (the website). Mems and everything all into my SRS. And I use it to test myself on production only. The Memrise site is nice but the mobile app is well not so good. With Korean I'm really only interested in production right now anyway. The words I'm studying are all truly basic so I need them to be able to produce them all pretty much. The mems help tons and tons for that. Without it, it was really slow going. I'm glad I copied the mems etc into my flashcard app. It took a while though. I don't think there's a Korean workbook assignment due next week so that's going to help free up time for Japanese. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1478 of 1702 29 September 2014 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
Wow. That's quick! Did you type stuff in manually or did you scan + OCR? I did start to type in the 日本語総まとめ N3 文法 sentences but never made it past W1D2 or so :-) If I can find some decent J-capable OCR then I may have another go. I've been through DOBJG mining new vocab (of which there was thankfully very little) and now I'm doing DOIJG in odd moments - there's more new vocabulary in this one, unsurprisingly. I'm typing it all into a spreadsheet, and I then periodically import into Anki. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1479 of 1702 29 September 2014 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh I didn't enter all the vocab from the book. Far from it. Just the chapters I had set aside for the week. I
suspect there's well over 3k of vocab in this book. I tried googling it to find out but couldn't find an answer. I have 450 words so far. Going forward I'll not be putting all the words into my deck though - I want to reduce the amount of time to make cards if I can. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1480 of 1702 06 October 2014 at 4:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've sort of stopped doing the 新完全マスター 語彙 book. Instead, I'm using this app called StickyStudy Kanji. It has premade sets for N1/2/3/4/5 etc. I made a deck using all of them but emailed the author a question regarding whether he felt just the N2 vocab was sufficient and he said definitely. His advice was to focus a lot on the N2 vocab and not worry about N1 specific vocab. Including all the easier levels, that brought the deck down to 4800. I added some words from 新完全 (about 50-60 I dunno which included some readings from the reading book). Most of the vocab from the 語彙 book was already included in his set which made me feel better about his vocabulary. The app has a nice colorful interface so it's nice using it and the preset vocabulary sets have native audio to go with them. It has a built in dictionary (I think linked to jisho.org or something) so you can use that to add words like JFLASH does sort of. What sold me on it was that I could take this set, put in a date that I needed to learn all the vocabulary by, and it tells me what to study every day. It comes out to about 50-60 minutes of studying per day which is very doable. I did 2 hours yesterday (saturday so a lot of free time) and I'm confident I'll get through all of it by the end. I was/am a little concerned that studying isolated words out of context and recognition only to boot would not be enough but with the time I have left I think it's ideal. And I might be poo pooing the whole recognition thing a bit much too.
As for grammar, I have a new system I just started. Previously.. I had gone through and -made- flashcards for the first couple chapters of 新完全 but hadn't actually used them. But I still thought about the stupid grammar when I wasn't studying anyway - it stuck more or less. Thank God haha. I just did a N2 prep lesson on JOI and I did really well. They have me doing questions similar to the N2 format and I even got to use some of the grammar I 'learned' from doing these flashcards. My tutor wasn't expecting me to be familiar with とたんに and I wasn't up until a couple weeks ago. But it's really not hard at all. Just read it a few times. I don't think I have to do tons of exercises to learn it enough to get multiple choice questions right or understand it while reading. Speaking is always another thing but that's not on the test. I discovered how to use Rikai-sama to save not just the target sentence of a vocab word but also a sentence with a ____ where the target word is for flashcards. You get the word, the reading, the English, the sentence, a closed delete sentence, and native audio of the target word (usually) all just pressing one button. I want to make a closed delete deck really bad now. All I need now is a tool to automatically download pictures for me from Google/Bing haha. I'm thinking of skipping the pictures. Obviously I can add them later if I want anyway. As for material. Well, honestly, I'm kind of back at doing anime. I want to get a list from an anime with this. I know very well that almost all of the grammar in an anime is N3 level or below. (almost all of it..). It's not great for N2 studying for grammar or even vocab since it has tons of words that aren't likely to be on the N2 anyway. So I will hopefully not go too overboard. But I read that wikipedia is a good place for non-fiction in Japanese.. I'm gonna try that too. NHK maybe a little but I don't want to just do news. The test seems to focus on people writing little essays or opinions about stuff. I wikipedia probably isn't the best for that either. I might try looking at comments on amazon.jp perhaps. Since I wanna make some closed delete decks I'm looking to read stuff on the computer and not so much from 新完全 although I will still read it.. probably not cover to cover. However, I think if I can just touch on all of the N2 grammar it should really help my score a lot. *edit* I forgot. So for the 文法, I'm just taking the structures from 新完全 and making bookmarks in my Dictionary of Japanese Grammar book. And I'm just going to make a point to read a few every day. This is a lot like how I did German.. I haven't done that much with these books however. They're really big and ominous and my old German grammar was a mass market paperback that could fit in a pocket pretty much. The bookmarks of what I -need- for N2 should help with the scary factor and make it feel more accessible. And the explanations are simply wonderful. Edited by kraemder on 06 October 2014 at 4:35am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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