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dampingwire
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 Message 1481 of 1702
06 October 2014 at 4:13pm | IP Logged 
kraemder wrote:
I was/am a little concerned that studying isolated words out of context and recognition only to boot would not be enough but with the time I have left
I think it's ideal. And I might be poo pooing the whole recognition thing a bit much too.


I do have a sentence deck but I do find the vocabulary decks useful too. It seems to help me to have "primed" my brain to know a given word so that when I do hit it in
the wild it solidifies more easily.

kraemder wrote:
As for grammar, I have a new system I just started. Previously.. I had gone through and -made- flashcards for the first couple chapters of 新完全 but
hadn't actually used them. But I still thought about the stupid grammar when I wasn't studying anyway - it stuck more or less.


I've not yet found a good way to learn grammar (other than repetition and drilling). I did start to make cards but I think I was putting too much information on them,
so the whole process was too time consuming and I stopped doing it. I still think I probably need most of that information but perhaps split over several cards. My
worry is that I'll spend more time optimising the method than I will actually studying :-)

kraemder wrote:
I discovered how to use Rikai-sama to save not just the target sentence of a vocab word but also a sentence with a ____ where the target word is for
flashcards. You get the word, the reading, the English, the sentence, a closed delete sentence, and native audio of the target word (usually) all just pressing one
button.


I thought I'd really like to use rikaichan/sama/kun/whichever to just do the kanji->kana translation for me (i.e. a sort of on-demand furigana) as otherwise I get lazy
and let the cursor drift along the text and kid myself that I'm "reading". I found that the "D" key does pretty much what I want. Sadly I also found that reading is
much harder than "reading" :-(

kraemder wrote:
I forgot. So for the 文法, I'm just taking the structures from 新完全 and making bookmarks in my Dictionary of Japanese Grammar book. And I'm just going
to make a point to read a few every day. This is a lot like how I did German.. I haven't done that much with these books however. They're really big and ominous and
my old German grammar was a mass market paperback that could fit in a pocket pretty much. The bookmarks of what I -need- for N2 should help with the scary factor and
make it feel more accessible. And the explanations are simply wonderful.


I found the master index (from the back of the DOAJG book) and printed it out ages ago. When I come across a grammar point to learn I start by reading the explanation
in 新完全マスター and then look it up elsewhere (e.g. in the DO*JG book if I can find it or みんなの日本語中級 or wherever). I've yet to find an N2 grammar point in the Basic
dictionary and a good few are in the Intermediate dictionary but a whole bunch of them are in the Advanced dictionary. So that's quite a lot to cover (and presumably
quite a bit left uncovered). renshuu has so far filled in most of the gaps, sometimes with the help of
JGram, but the explanations vary from excellent to very bare-bones. If I could get DO*JG at a reasonable price I think I'd go for it.
Maybe I should add them to the shopping list when I next ask to replenish the company Japanese library :-)

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dampingwire
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 Message 1482 of 1702
06 October 2014 at 4:15pm | IP Logged 
kraemder wrote:
So for the 文法, I'm just taking the structures from 新完全 and making
bookmarks in my Dictionary of Japanese Grammar book. And I'm just going to make a point
to read a few every day. This is a lot like how I did German.. I haven't done that much
with these books however. They're really big and ominous and my old German grammar was a
mass market paperback that could fit in a pocket pretty much. The bookmarks of what I -
need- for N2 should help with the scary factor and make it feel more accessible. And the
explanations are simply wonderful.


Nearly forgot .... yes, the explanations are virtually perfect.

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dampingwire
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 Message 1483 of 1702
06 October 2014 at 4:21pm | IP Logged 
dampingwire wrote:
If I could get DO*JG at a reasonable price I think I'd go for it.


Hmm. A quick look on Amazon and ebay suggests that DOIJG is now ~£40 and DOAJG can be had
for ~£50. The last time I looked the cheapest offers for each of these was ~£100 (and
there are still sellers asking that much for each of them).
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 Message 1484 of 1702
06 October 2014 at 4:28pm | IP Logged 
dampingwire wrote:
dampingwire wrote:
If I could get DO*JG at a reasonable price I
think I'd go for it.


Hmm. A quick look on Amazon and ebay suggests that DOIJG is now ~£40 and DOAJG can be had
for ~£50. The last time I looked the cheapest offers for each of these was ~£100 (and
there are still sellers asking that much for each of them).


And Book Off lists them for ¥2,571 and ¥3,498. Which means £35 would get me both the
books I'd want if I were in Japan ...
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 Message 1485 of 1702
07 October 2014 at 9:24am | IP Logged 
Well I just discovered Evita's grammar deck for Korean. It's fantastic. I am digging the grammar since it
seems to introduce stuff gradually instead of a lot at once and I'm used to using lots of flashcards so a
flashcard deck works well for me. I'm slightly concerned about it being recognition. But that might even be
better. I have no idea.

I also got my new iPhone 6 Plus. I love this device. It better not bend. It's expensive as hell. I'm probably not
going to upgrade my phone next year or maybe even the next. The phone is perfect. Unless it bends.

I'm into an anime that came out over the summer called Tokyo Ghoul. It's not on Crunchyroll so I missed it.
Watching it without subs. I've started doing that again recently and will probably continue until after the N2. I
found I liked the new fate / zero episode better without subs even though I definitely understood better with
subs. It just ruined the mood and immersion into the show I think.
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 Message 1486 of 1702
07 October 2014 at 2:36pm | IP Logged 
kraemder wrote:
Well I just discovered Evita's grammar deck for Korean. It's fantastic. I am digging the grammar since it seems to introduce stuff gradually instead of a lot at once and I'm used to using lots of flashcards so a flashcard deck works well for me. I'm slightly concerned about it being recognition. But that might even be better. I have no idea.


It's a nice deck, right? My goal was to introduce grammar as painlessly as possible, that's why there are several (or more) cards to consolidate each grammar point. Of course, it all depends on what sentences I could find that would also have an audio. Sometimes when I couldn't find something I wanted, I simply added the sentence without an audio.

I think this deck should work pretty well in the passive mode and even better if you repeat aloud the sentences you hear. But if you really wanted to, you could of course flip it around and make it an active deck.
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 Message 1487 of 1702
08 October 2014 at 2:52am | IP Logged 
I'll try it as a passive deck for a while and go from there. Unfortunately, I can't figure out a good balance between passive and active flashcard studying. It's an ongoing dilemma for me =/.
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 Message 1488 of 1702
15 October 2014 at 4:27am | IP Logged 
I posted a general request to the koohii forums and actually got a reply (not immediately but still.. I'm impressed). I wanted a tool to get images of google for me automatically using a list of vocab. The amount of time this will save me is pretty huge. Apparently you can just write a script and windows will do this. It's very a very small script too.

tool to automatically generate pics from vocab list?

Those forums are amazing. And I'm impressed at how tech savy many people studying Japanese are. I would think they'd be too busy studying computers to worry about Japanese but they seem to make time or something.


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