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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 9 of 118 02 January 2014 at 10:38am | IP Logged | |||||
I read through a few EasyNews articles last night and then read one NHK News article (about 書き初め) that happened to be one I'd just read on the EasyNews and it did seem to be far less daunting than I was expecting. So although I hadn't thought about tackling the "full" news that way, it does seem to be a useful way of approaching the problem. Thanks! BTW: it does seem that there's a rich cultural vein related to "the first X of the New year" ... clearly a lot of vocabulary waiting to be picked up! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 10 of 118 03 January 2014 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
(Quoting from my TAC 2013 log)
I asked for these books (plus a few Kanzen Master ones for N3 and N2) at work and, as a Epiphany gift, they said yes. :-) They even paid for the (somewhat expensive) trackable airmail option. So $300 of study books will be here in a week or so! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 11 of 118 03 January 2014 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I found it quite useful last year to try and make some sort of estimate for a time budget on a monthly basis. I
think I'll do that this time too, but I'll start by trying to plan the next 6 months. My aim is to be ready to sit the JLPT N3 in July. So I'd like all my studying to be done by the end of May, leaving me June for consolidation (or, more likely, catching up on whatever I've let slip!). So let's call that 20 weeks of study time (not counting June's revision). Looking at the spreadsheet I've been keeping, I think that RTK + Anki reviews will take about 40-50m each day. If I call that 50min daily that allows for new Kanji in RTK. My Anki Kanji deck has ~2800 entries I'd like to learn for the N3 test, which means about 140/week. My vocabulary deck has ~3500 entries, which means 175/week. Allowing for new words from NHK News and general reading etc., let's call that 350 new items per week. I seem to be able to get through 50 words in ~20min, so 20min/day for 7days/week seems like a manageable target. In practice I'll probably go a little faster than this, but not much faster. Getting through one full NHK News article takes me about 20min, including adding new words to SRS etc. There are ~275 JPOD101 lessons that I want to work through (listen to intensively). I don't expect to get these done before the N3 test, but I would like to get them done by the end of the year. That works out at about 15m/day. I certainly want to work through 日本語総まとめ N3 文法, but that comes with a handy built-in timetable. The N3 grammar book will be 6 weeks of work, assuming I do one lesson per day. I'm going to assume that each lesson is 30m. 完全マスター is harder to judge. There are roughly 150 pages of learning material and each "unit" is roughly 2 pages. I'm going to assume that I can manage that in 30m. That's probably an underestimate for those occasions when new grammar is involved, but probably an underestimate for exercises etc. So hopefully it will balance out. At one "unit" (2 pages) per day, and 5 days/week, that's 15 weeks. So if I can manage 30m/day I can get through both of those grammar books in 21 weeks. That's close enough to my target that it's worth aiming for. On top of that I'd like to fit in 6 books and 6 films or dramas or similar in the same time period. I'm not really sure how to count those, but I'll just assume that I'll fit them in at the weekend and then see how things work out once my spreadsheet has a month or data to chew on. On top of that there will be 2-3 hours of tutorial plus preparation. So that works out to the following daily load: RTK + Anki reviews: 50m Anki learning: 20m NHK News: & nbsp; 20m JPOD101 Shadowing: 15m N3 grammar: &nbs p; 30m Tutorial + prep: 30m (averaged out over the week ... but probably mostly happening Tues/Wed) Film/Drama/Book: 15m + Weekends That's 3 hours per day. I may or may not be able to find that much time. I can probably get up earlier and do 30m of my reviews before I go to work and I can usually find 30m at work to do more reviews or some grammar boo kwork maybe. That should leave me with 2 hours to find each evening, which is tough but doable. I also have the 完全マスター N3 聴解 book turning up at work soon. I'm not sure how much time that will take, but I'll have to fit it in somehow as it's clearly going to be beneficial. I may be able to fit some of it in over lunchtimes too, but I'll need to see the layout first. So I may be back to revise this study plan in a few weeks. Kanji In Context also turns up at work soon. As with the 聴解 book I'll have to see whether I can fit this in to a daily schedule or whether I'll have to aim to do some work every 2nd or 3rd day or similar. So it looks like working through everything in time for the N3 is doable (especially as I've left myself a month's worth of slack at the end), but I'll need to keep on top of the work and not let a backlog develop. Time to stop posting and actually get started I suppose :-) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 12 of 118 05 January 2014 at 12:33am | IP Logged | |||||
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I thought I'd try rikaikun in Chrome (on Linux Mint) to try to speed up working through
an NHK News (not EasyNews) article. It loads OK but, even after restarting Chrome, it never pops up anything. I had to resort to using rikaichan with Firefox to work my way through the article. I'd prefer to use only one browser rather than having to fire up Firefox just to use rikaichan, so I'd be grateful for any suggestions. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5974 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 13 of 118 05 January 2014 at 10:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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I want to work where you work! :-)
Have you based your time assessment for Soumatome on your own experience of using it? I found there was no way I could get through it in 6 weeks. It might work if you were just using it for review, so apologies if this is your intention. I just found that 5-6 grammar points a day, 6 days a week, was too intense. I passed N3 having only covered the first "week" though, so I wouldn't worry too much. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Evita Tetraglot Senior Member Latvia learnlatvian.info Joined 6544 days ago 734 posts - 1036 votes Speaks: Latvian*, English, German, Russian Studies: Korean, Finnish | Message 14 of 118 05 January 2014 at 11:50am | IP Logged | |||||
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dampingwire, I am in awe of your studying skills and your endurance and especially how you manage to get through so much vocabulary on both Anki and Memrise. I could never dream to learn 3500 words in half a year. I have a question though. You estimate that you will have 350 new items every week - aren't you afraid that the number of reviews will get out of hand? You will probably have to review several hundreds of words every day, maybe even close to a thousand. How can you manage that? Will you already know most words and simply press the "Very good" button?
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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4657 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 15 of 118 05 January 2014 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
It was a nice surprise. I was expecting a "do you really need all of them?" reply. But I guess there are now four or five people who've expressed an interest, so building up a library is a reasonable thing to do.
Not really. I have been through it all once before, just to see "the lay of the land", so to speak. However, some of the points I've already covered either through みんなの日本語 or through JapanesePOD101.com so very little of it is completely new territory. I've covered the first two days worth so far and it took a total of 65 mins, which is close enough to my estimate that I'm not (yet) worried. As I think I've said before, the explanations in that book vary between sparse and non- existent, so I often end up reading up grammar points elsewhere. That adds to the time taken, but I do want to make sure that the points stick this time around. I expect that as I move along, there will be various parts that are quite a bit more challenging and that the time I take may double or triple or worse. But that's OK: I've hopefully got enough time to get through this book before July. By the time I get to 新完全 マスター, I'm hoping that a good deal of it will be revision and consolidation. If I find that I'm nowhere near the end of 日本語総まとめ by the time I need to book the JLPT N3, then that might be a sign that I need to reconsider the timing of the test, but I'm hoping it won't come to that. I think I'm ready vocabulary-wise and probably reading-wise too; I've no idea where I'll be listening-wise, so no change there :-) That just leaves me with grammar as an area where I'm sure I can improve noticeably between now and July. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5974 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 16 of 118 05 January 2014 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
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When it comes to booking the test, I would say the official practice test is a much more reliable guide than Soumatome as to whether or not you are ready. The Soumatome books were rushed out when the JLPT syllabus was initially changed (I guess there was a clear gap in the market that needed filling) and while they contain a lot of useful information for Japanese in general, I know a few people who sat either N3 and N2 after using the books and found that a lot of the stuff in the books didn't seem relevant to the test.
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