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| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5469 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 65 of 92 17 January 2015 at 8:17am | IP Logged | ||||||||
C'est tres intérresant tout ça. Merci pour ces informations Lakeseayesno. J'ai lu un peu au sujet de l'invasion française de mexique aujourd'hui (en français bien-sûr), très intéressant en fait. A propos, ton nom me rappelle que tu étais dans une indécision quant a si tu irais vivre ou prendre des vacances près de la mer, ou a côté d'un lac... (je suis désolé je ne suis pas sur si la grammaire juste au-dessus est correcte) Oui, moi aussi, j'ai appris beaucoup au sujet de ma langue maternelle en étudiant les autres.
Bravo. Italki hein? Je dois le faire aussi, mais j'ai une obsession comme tu sais avec les cours.... ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------- ------------ ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------- ----------- 1 On utilise "on" quand on parle si on veut référer à nous, mais c'est moins formel. Si on écrit quelque chose je crois que c'est mieux d'écrire "nous", à moins que le texte soit volontairement décontracté. ------------------------------------------ 2 On utilise "on" aussi pour remplacer les expressions "one", "you" "the people" "they" qui ne sont pas exactements des personnes distinctes mais plutôt des personnes en général. Par exemple: On dit que la cuisine est délicieuse en France People say/They say/It is said that the cuisine is delicious in France --------------------------------------------- 3 On utilise "on" aussi comme une forme grammaticale pour éviter le passif: example: Two days ago the letter was sent to us On nous a envoyé la lettre il y a deux jours ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------- Negation: On place "ne" avant le verbe et objets aussi et "pas" après Je vais au cinéma Je ne vais pas au cinéma Je te vois Je ne te vois pas Quand il y un auxiliaire aussi "pas" et alors placé entre l'auxiliaire et participe passé comme dans les exemples ci-dessous We didn't send it to them Nous ne la leur avons pas envoyé I left them on the ground floor Je les ai laissés au rez-de-chaussé I didn't leave them on the ground floor Je ne les ai pas laissés au rez-de-chaussé Est-ce que ça t'aide un peu? PM 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lakeseayesno Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico thepolyglotist.com Joined 4327 days ago 280 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English, Spanish*, Japanese, Italian Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 66 of 92 18 January 2015 at 11:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Je suis désolé, mais mon nom de plume est une référence à mon nom de famille. :P (Non le veux dire sur le forum mais je n'ai pas de problème en te l'envoyer par message privé).
On tous ont des méthodes particulières. :) J'aime vraiment faire l'Italki et utiliser les sites webs comme Duolingo et Lingvist, mais ils ont besoin de une gestion du temps très different que les cours.
Non, ça m'aide beaucoup!! :D Merci beaucoup, Peter! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4700 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 67 of 92 18 January 2015 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Concernant le pronom "on", c'est aussi une question de style et de registre. L'usage peut aussi se differencier selon les régions (comme je me souviens au Quebec l'usage de "on" est très répandu partout). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lakeseayesno Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico thepolyglotist.com Joined 4327 days ago 280 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English, Spanish*, Japanese, Italian Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 68 of 92 21 January 2015 at 3:33am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Merci a tous les deux. Cette matin je l'ai utilisée ("on", je veux dire) pendant que je parlais avec mon tuteur, et il n'ai dit rien pour me rectifier... peut-être je l'ai utilisé proprement! :D
Aujourd'hui nous avons lu deux articles de Le Grand Journal, un journal francophone mexicain (ça et ça). Premièrement il a lu une paragraphe, après je l'ai lu fort encore une fois; comme ça, il a pu corriger ma prononciation, et après j'ai posé des questions sur les mots inconnu. J'ai pensé que c'était une activité plutôt efficace pour l'étude de nouveaux mots et phrases, et l'amélioration de on prononciation. ---- Thanks to both of you. This morning I used it ("on", I mean) a few times with my Italki tutor and he didn't say anything to correct me, so I think I used it correctly! :D Today we read two articles from Le Grand Journal, a Mexican francophone newspaper (this and this). He read one paragraph first, and I read it again after him once more; like this, he was able to correct my pronunciation and later I asked him questions about words I didn't know. I think it was a pretty efficacious activity for studying new words and phrases, and improving one's pronunciation. Edited by Lakeseayesno on 21 January 2015 at 6:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lakeseayesno Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico thepolyglotist.com Joined 4327 days ago 280 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English, Spanish*, Japanese, Italian Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 69 of 92 22 January 2015 at 7:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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È passato un po' dall'ultima volta che ho scritto o persino parlato in Italiano, dunque ho deciso di fermare questo periodo d'inattività prima di tornare al punto da dove ho partito l'anno scorso (parlando, naturalmente, al'italiano).
Ho pensato recentemente che vedere titoli e film che ho visto già potrebbe essere un buon essercizio per rafforzare la comprensione orale, così stasera ho visto un film di tuti conosciuto ormai: "Frozen, Il regno di ghiaccio". A dire il vero non è il film dalla Disney che mi piace più (cioè un film più vecchio, di titolo "Tarzan"), ma ho sentito che ne fu doppiato a un sacco di lingue e inevitabilmente sono diventata curiosa. Credo avere capito sopra di 75% de quello che ho ascoltato, ma ho scoperto che è ancora difficile per me seguire dialoghi parlati rapidamente (per esempio, in quelle situazione quando i personaggi sono stressati). Mi è particolarmente piaciuta la voce de Serena Autieri (doppiatrice di Elsa)--mi sembra d'avere capito un po' la raggione per cui questo film ha tantissimi fanatici. --- It's been a while since I wrote or even spoke in Italian, so I've decided to put an end to this period of inactivity before I end up where I started last year (obviously, I'm talking about where I started with Italian). I've been thinking that watching films I've seen before may be a good exercise for listening comprehension, so this afternoon I watched a movie everybody knows by now: "Frozen". Truth be told, it isn't my favorite Disney film (that'd be Tarzan, an older title) but I heard it was dubbed into a bunch of languages and couldn't but become a bit curious. I think I understood over 75% of what I heard, but I discovered I still have issues following fast dialogues (such as when the characters are stressed out). I particularly enjoyed Serena Autieri's voice (dub actress of Elsa)--I think I understood somewhat why this film has so many fans. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lakeseayesno Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico thepolyglotist.com Joined 4327 days ago 280 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English, Spanish*, Japanese, Italian Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 70 of 92 26 January 2015 at 4:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Brain's busted, so no French update today.
Finally seeing the end to a tough week (although I've got a few more things to do before it's really over--and then it's Monday again. Ack!) It's been one of those periods in which keeping one's motivation going is nothing short of a Herculean feat... While for the most part I've no complaints about the site, I'm finding that Duolingo for French isn't quite as smooth as it was for Italian. Particularly in the case of compound expressions, I feel like rather than being intuitive it requires a formulaic translation only the developer side could know, so when I make the mistake needed to learn this new expression, I go "huh?" instead of "oh, that makes sense!" Italki's going pretty smoothly. I'm trying to have a one hour lesson every day save for Wednesday or Thursday, plus weekends (needed for relaxation and other activities), so as to keep a reasonable momentum going, and so far it's working, although during my last session I couldn't get "in the zone" no matter how hard I tried: I was exhausted by the time it finished, and feeling a little demotivated. I think the fact that my mind was somewhere else didn't help. Anyway, I already have my next four sessions booked, and I want to keep the focus on pronunciation. I'm already feeling improvement in spelling words I had trouble with before, so with some luck I've begun systematizing the trickier (for me) aspects of French pronunciation. Once I'm done with that, I'd like to focus on increasing my vocabulary... big time. I'm thinking of adding two new activities to my already French-heavy routine: watching one Italian or French film a day (when possible) + doing the 6WC. It'd be interesting to see how many hours I can log a day, considering that I'm doing MUCH more language-related studies now than when I participated last time. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lakeseayesno Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico thepolyglotist.com Joined 4327 days ago 280 posts - 488 votes Speaks: English, Spanish*, Japanese, Italian Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 71 of 92 30 January 2015 at 5:57am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Trois heures de conversation prolongé aujourd'hui (une heure avec mon tutoeur et deux dans un cercle de conversation en français); je suis absolument fatigué, mais très satisfait après moi-même. Si tout se passe selon le plan, demain je prendrai ma dixième heure de tutelle sur Italki...
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| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5469 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 72 of 92 30 January 2015 at 11:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Ça c'est impressionnant ! Ça c'est partie d'une formule pour le succès! Bon travail Lakeseayesno Edited by PeterMollenburg on 30 January 2015 at 11:11am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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