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| pmiller Account terminated Groupie Canada Joined 5666 days ago 99 posts - 104 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 1 of 59 14 July 2009 at 9:03am | IP Logged | ||
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How do the Defense Language Institute language courses compare to the Foreign Service Institute courses? Is one better than the other for certain languages?
And how feasible is it to try to mimic the schedule of actual DLI instruction and learn your target language in the same time frame as students at DLI? Finally, are these pretty much the best, most comprehensive language courses in the world? What I mean by comprehensive is that they aim to take you from absolute beginner to a high level of fluency if you complete the course (unlike most commercial courses, which will only take you to advanced beginner level or maybe intermediate level)? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5661 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 2 of 59 14 July 2009 at 11:19am | IP Logged | ||
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DLI courses are primarily for the military. You will learn how to say "The enemy tanks are approaching our trenches" and the like.
The FSI courses are primarily for diplomats. You will learn how to say "The American ambassador has a reception this evening in the ballroom" and so on. In terms of "are they the best". Well, they are certainly the best value (i.e. free - if you can find them in the language that interests you). However, they are often rather boring - which may prevent you from completing them. They can certainly take you from "absolute beginner" but not to the "high level of fluency" you mention. Once you are at intermediate level, it is usually more profitable to turn to native materials (such as books, TV, radio, and real conversations). Edited by Splog on 14 July 2009 at 11:21am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| dmg Diglot Senior Member Canada dgryski.blogspot.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 7003 days ago 555 posts - 605 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Dutch, Esperanto | Message 3 of 59 14 July 2009 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Having looked at both the DLI Basic French and the FSI Basic French, the difference that stands out for me is the number of lessons. FSI French is 24 fairly large units, which might be overwhelming. DLI French, on the other hand, is 80 smaller lessons. It might be easier to work with the smaller language chunks. Or, you might feel "80 lessons! That will take me forever!" and continue with the 24 units of FSI.
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| healing332 Senior Member United States Joined 5612 days ago 164 posts - 211 votes | Message 4 of 59 14 July 2009 at 7:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am only familiar with FSI but I feel it is an incredible course and free.
I think that the grammer in FSI is amazing that is mainly what I use it for..it uses phrases that regularly come up in my movie disecting and readings. I use FSI as my only "Schooling" Some of the things in FSI or a bit outdated so I look over at the English side and eliminate what does not look right.. I find the real power in FSI.. AFTER the Lesson..Their after lessons have great grammer lessons that I find interesting..The fact that all this created for the USA diplomats is available is amazing..i download and read the text word for word with the audio Finally..Unit 5 for example had about 10 lines that I will use to study out of 40 but the after unit lesson is amazing!..it taught me alot about swedish verbs 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Vilcxjo Tetraglot Newbie United States Joined 5631 days ago 21 posts - 29 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Esperanto, French Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Latin, Ancient Greek, Modern Hebrew, Russian, German, Biblical Hebrew | Message 5 of 59 14 July 2009 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | ||
I heartily agree! I once took a "conversational Spanish" course and for the first part of the course we had to work through the last part of the FSI Spanish course. Even though I had not worked through the first part of the course, I found it extraordinarily boring! Part of the reason for that is the FSI courses were originally designed when behavioral psychology was all the rage in educational circles. So the learner was treated very much like a machine that needed programming via repetition and repetition and repetition! Actual creative thinking on the student's part was reduced to a minimum. Some people have learning styles that mesh well with this approach. So it would be good to take stock of how you best like to learn before you decide to go with one of these courses. If I hadn't already paid for the course, I wouldn't have continued on with the method. It wasn't until the last part of the course when we began reading articles from magazines and short stories and having intensive class conversations about them that the course took off for me. (On the other hand, I can still remember some of the FSI materials word for word. It's just that I actually physcially shudder when I do so. So yes, they were effective. They seem also to have been effective as a form of aversion therapy.) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| healing332 Senior Member United States Joined 5612 days ago 164 posts - 211 votes | Message 6 of 59 15 July 2009 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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I do not find FSI boring but I think you have to be the right setting to use it..I find it best late at night with no distractions..I have to be in a very relax mood...set the mood ..glass of wine..and go to bed with FSI
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| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5857 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 7 of 59 16 July 2009 at 2:01am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm with healing332, I don't find FSI boring. I've gone through almost all of Platiquemos and the first couple units of the French Basic Course. While some units are really frustratingly difficult in the beginning, after having gone through it a few times I always feel like I've learned a lot. I guess it's like Vilcxjo said in that it depends on the style of learner you are, and perhaps it also depends on the amount of time you can spend on studying. I think going through the FSI course (at least as it was written) works most effectively when you can spend at least 2 or 3 hours a day on it. Maybe while I'm going through the unit I will drift off occasionally, but at the end of the session I always feel like I've learned a lot and never find myself dreading the next session (like I have with other courses).
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