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| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5457 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 193 of 431 22 January 2011 at 11:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the message rahdonit. If you look back at my log you will see that a
Georgian girl exchanged messages with me for a few months at the beginning of my studies. She hasn't visited for a long time now, but I was forced to write in Georgian from a very early stage and I can't exaggerate how helpful it was. As for your question, from my limited contact with the language, Tschenkeli's rule seems more common to me. In the genitive, for example, I don't think you would ever say ჯონის ბრაუნის წიგნი, right? Maybe the dative is different. My Georgian teacher told me that in the dative case, the ს of ჩემს and შენს is slowly disappearing, so maybe this is also the situation here. If I remember I'll ask my teacher and get back to you. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6607 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian*, Ukrainian*, English, German | Message 194 of 431 23 January 2011 at 3:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have read your log with big interest, but of course it will take some time untill I can understand also the Georgian part of it.
I am really impressed that you started to express yourself in Georgian at such an early stage. And now, when you are at a more advanced leved, it would be even more rewarding to keep writing (and hopefully have someone correct you). good luck! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| E}{pugnator Newbie Brazil Joined 5159 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 195 of 431 26 January 2011 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Alright a short remark:
დღეს საქმე სულ არა მაქვს. Today I don't have businesses/affairs/obligations at all. So, that სულ particle stands for "at all"? I guess it could also be used in a positive sentence, though. Any examples? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5457 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 196 of 431 27 January 2011 at 4:55am | IP Logged | ||
My teacher gave me a list of uses of სულ with example sentences, so I guess I'll just copy them down for you here. "a total of" ამ კვირაში სულ 250 კაცი მოვიდა ჩვენ კაფეში. "not at all/nothing at all/never" სულ არ მაინტერესებს რას ფიქრობენ ჩემზე სხვები. სულ არაფერს არ ჭამ. მიირთვი რამე. სახლში სულ არ ვაკეთებ სამელს. "completely" ეს ჩანთა სულ ახალია (here, "brand new") მთაში ერთი კვირა სულ მარტო ვიყავი (i.e. "all alone") "only" ახალი წლის დადგომამდე სულ ცოტა დრო დარჩა. სულ რაღაც 10 წუთში დაიწყება საინტერესო ფილმი. "always" ჩემი კატა მსუნაგია, სულ ჭამს. სულ ერთია: "It's all the same to me" ვაშლის წვენი გინდა თყ ფორთოხლის? სულ ერთია. სულ უფრო: "more and more" სულ უფრო მეტი ხალხი მიდის დასასვენებლად შავ ზღვაზე. სულ ცოტა: "at least" ეს კომპიუტერი სულ ცოტა 10 ათასი ლარი ღირს. Hope that helps. Edited by TixhiiDon on 27 January 2011 at 4:58am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| E}{pugnator Newbie Brazil Joined 5159 days ago 9 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Portuguese* | Message 197 of 431 27 January 2011 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the examples, Tixhiidon, I'll surely keep them for future studies! By now, I can't understand much of these sentences, only a couple of words in each. I just wanted to confirm that სულ was a particle with a rather idiomatic usage, and it seems so.
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| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5457 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 198 of 431 01 February 2011 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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ძალიან კარგი ამბავი მაქვს! გასულ კვირადღეს ვიყიდე თვითმფრინავის ბილეტი
საქართველოში და დავჯავშნე ოთახი თბილისის სასტუმროში. თორმეტ მაისში გავფრინავ ტოკიოდან და დაახლოებით ერთ კვირას ვიქნები საქართველოში. მე მარტო ვიქნები საქართველოში და ძალიან დიდი ხანია რაც მარტო დასვენებად მივედი, ამიტომ ცოტა ვნერვიულობ, რომ ალბათ მომიწყინდება სულ მარტო ყოფნა. მაგრამ ერთდროულად ძალიან ბედნიერი ვარ, რომ შემიძლია წავიდე საქართველოში და ვლაპარაკობ ქართულად ქართველებთან ერთად. ENG: I have very good news! Last Sunday I bought a plane ticket to Georgia and booked a room in a hotel in Tbilisi. I will fly out of Tokyo on May 12th and I will be in Georgia for around one week. I will be in Georgia alone, and it is a long time since I went on holiday alone so I'm worried that I may become a little fed up with being all alone. However, at the same time I am very happy that I can go to Georgia and speak Georgian with Georgians. Hmm, it is evident from my English translation that I still sound like a six year old in Georgian. Let's hope I manage to get even just a little bit closer to my real age before May. I am pretty excited, though. The flight is a bit weird. I have a 22 (yes, thats twenty-two)-hour stopover in Vienna, so I'm going to leave the airport and spend the night in a hotel. I used to live in Vienna and I love the city very much so this is no hardship for me at all. The alternative was a 12-hour stopover in Istanbul - not really long enough to do anything in a city I don't know at all, so I decided to stick with what I know. Not sure how I'm going to fill my time in Georgia. I'll certainly be stocking up on books, wine, suluguni cheese, and any Soviet tat I can lay my hands on. If I'm feeling very brave I may venture onto a marshrutka to Gori or Mtskheta. Otherwise I will just be wandering around and soaking up the atmosphere. In other news, I have finally, after many months of searching, got my hands on a reasonably-priced copy of "Georgian Language and Culture" by Aronson and Kiziria. I've done about four hours of study with it today and it seems excellent. The book starts with about 100 pages of long dialogues written in colloquial Georgian in both formal and casual registers, complete with a full vocabulary and copious grammar notes. Dodona Kiziria writes brilliant dialogues - not even the faintest whiff of language textbook fakery about them. I'm still reading იყო საღამო იყო დილა, and it is still brilliant and quite easy to read. The short stories I've been reading with Medea are much much more difficult, so either she is choosing particularly difficult stories for me or the novel is particularly easy. Sadly, I suspect the latter to be true. I am running into problems with the Gold List method. I'm up to around 1400 words on my head lists, but most of those I have added over the last few weeks have come from იყო საღამო იყო დილა, and I have been finding that I remember almost none of them. I have also found that I can't remember a lot of the words I have discarded during previous distillations, even though they should, in theory, be in my long-term memory now. So I am becoming rather skeptical about this method. I suppose it's still better than just writing down a word in a vocabulary book and forgetting about it, but there's no way you could write down thousands of random words and let them slowly seep into your long-term memory. I'm going to persevere with this method, but only using words I have some sort of previous relationship with. Lastly, I have decided I need to have more conversations with myself in Georgian. This evening in the park, while my dog ran around sniffing other dogs' bottoms, I described my day to myself out loud (I'm old enough and ugly enough not to care what people think of me) and it was a good brain workout, so I'm going to make that a habit. Edited by TixhiiDon on 02 February 2011 at 5:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6607 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian*, Ukrainian*, English, German | Message 199 of 431 03 February 2011 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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That is great news! I hope you enjoy your stay in Georgia.
And you still have 3 month before you go, it is a lot of time to fine tune your Georgian! Good luck! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5549 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 200 of 431 03 February 2011 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hope you have a fantastic trip in May, and get the opportunity to chat with lots of interesting Georgians! What's your game plan over the next few months to prepare? :)
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