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| rmel Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4186 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes Studies: French, Russian | Message 1 of 3 06 September 2014 at 12:11am | IP Logged |
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As I understand it a sentence with 'with' in Russian are in the instrumental case if you do something with an object. e.g. I painted the room with a brush, brush would have the instrumental ending. However I am unsure about other objects of sentences with 'with'. For example the sentence the 'The women with the dog'. Would dog be in the instrumental case?
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6542 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 2 of 3 06 September 2014 at 12:51am | IP Logged |
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Yes, "with" always uses the instrumental case (but c can also mean from, as in "с севера"). Remember that the case names are not very precise metaphors, for example the accusative doesn't always involve accusations :) In this example, a human is using a dog for accompanying them.
Also, since the case itself implies "with", normally there's no preposition when it's used in English to denote an instrument. So гулять с собакой, but красить кистью. Edited by Serpent on 06 September 2014 at 1:03am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4198 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 3 of 3 17 September 2014 at 1:04pm | IP Logged |
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I was browsing this forum and I noticed this thread; there is probably one more thing you should know about the case:
The instrumental alone sometimes conveys an essive meaning, which in English is usually marked by the preposition 'as'; for example I work as (a) secretary Я рaбoтaю сeкрeтaрeм it's because of this meaning that the 'with'-meaning can't be conveyed (at least usually) without the c-preposition, the sentences рaбoтaю сeкрeтaрeм рaбoтaю с сeкрeтaрeм are fundamentally different. If Serpent sees this she might be able to explain it better. Edited by Henkkles on 17 September 2014 at 1:04pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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