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| QiuJP Triglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 5800 days ago 428 posts - 597 votes  Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Czech, GermanB1, Russian, Japanese | Message 9 of 17 07 May 2014 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As you can see above HTLAL forum renders my word formatting in a very nasty and ugly way. Even though I have replace the tabs with spaces, it keep displaying " &nb sp;". Hence, I replaced my formatting in word with the formatting in my posts.
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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4610 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 10 of 17 07 May 2014 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Unfortunately, since we do not have a modern forum software here, we cannot have blocks of pre-formatted text (with full tabbing and spacing capabilities), as far as I can tell. The best you can do might be using underscores, but even that stinks because we have no fixed-width font available. Edited by tastyonions on 07 May 2014 at 5:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| QiuJP Triglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 5800 days ago 428 posts - 597 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Czech, GermanB1, Russian, Japanese | Message 11 of 17 07 May 2014 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The most important question that I wanted to ask is what happens when two vowels are next to each other in Russian. Many books have said that each vowel, which are next to each other, should be pronounced separately. However, in all the records with Russian at natural speed (courses, TV programs etc.), when two vowels are next to each other, they are pronounced as though they are diphthong.
For example новое (underline denotes stress) sounds like novəj instead of novə'ji Работаешь sounds like rabotəjʃ instead of rabotə'jiʃ The only cases which I am sure of are, for example: мой моя моё мои -> moj, mʌja, mʌjo, mʌji её -> jijo Can native speakers give some guidance? When I tried to pronounce the way in the way textbooks recommended(each vowel, which are next to each other, should be pronounced separately), most Russian do not understand me, but when I pronounce them as a diphthong, I am better understood. I also can listen and understand better natural Russian speech if I treat the two vowels as a quasi-diphthong in the unclear cases. Edited by QiuJP on 07 May 2014 at 7:20pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4652 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 12 of 17 07 May 2014 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5001 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 13 of 17 08 May 2014 at 8:50am | IP Logged | |||||
You are right. The vowels are merged and (if unstressed) reduced, so the final vowels are pronounced as something unclear. But it's hard to believe that the too careful pronunciation could be the cause of misunderstanding. Edited by Марк on 08 May 2014 at 8:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| QiuJP Triglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 5800 days ago 428 posts - 597 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Czech, GermanB1, Russian, Japanese | Message 14 of 17 08 May 2014 at 5:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
So if I need to speak Russian slowly, I need to reduce the vowels and pronounce the two vowels separately in the vowel cluster, is this correct, Марк? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5001 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 15 of 17 13 May 2014 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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You don't need to reduce vowels but you have to stress the words correctly. I think your main problem is consonants. Like ш instead of ч.
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| Dragon27 Diglot Groupie Russian Federation Joined 4186 days ago 41 posts - 71 votes Speaks: Russian*, English | Message 16 of 17 14 May 2014 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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QiuJP
Have you tried Luciano Canepari's canIPA system? It's a little bit difficult, but may be very useful since it contains much more precise description of phonetics of a large amount of languages than usual IPA. "A Handbook of Pronunciation" deals with phonetics of 12 languages including Russian in great details. Luciano describes the "traditional" pronunciation (which "mostly coincides with the old Moscow pronunciation" as stated in the book) and what he called the "modern neutral" pronunciation, which seems to me more faithful to actual speech of Russians. Edited by Dragon27 on 14 May 2014 at 6:56pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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