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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6542 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 17 of 26 22 May 2014 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Haha great example. So if you use "have", it's like you want to find something to be disappointed with but there's nothing :D
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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4027 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 18 of 26 22 May 2014 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Aaahhh. The have to version sounds wrong here. "I am yet to be disappointed with amazon" Good "I have yet to be disappointed with amazon" Ughhhhh. I see why you're a member of the church of massive input. I now also sympathize more with my DeutschLehrerin who sometimes has to resort to "klingt besser" to my "Why???s" For the have version I would write it as: "I have yet to have been disappointed with amazon". Edited by Gemuse on 23 May 2014 at 2:01am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lassus Hexaglot (formerly Josquin) Senior Member Germany Joined 3792 days ago 36 posts - 67 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Italian, Swedish, Latin Studies: Russian, Irish, Japanese | Message 19 of 26 22 May 2014 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Is this supposed to be English? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4235 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 20 of 26 23 May 2014 at 12:33am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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"I have yet to have been" or "I have yet to have had" is incorrect, because, "I have yet"
indicates a future implication. "(to) have been" and "(to) have had" is a present perfect infinitive and a pluscuamperfect infinitive, which indicates a past action or implication. Herefore, "I have yet to have been" would mean that you are waiting for something to occur--not in the future, but in the past. It would be like saying, "I have yet to have seen what the weather shall be like in 1986," which makes sense only if time travel existed. Edited by 1e4e6 on 23 May 2014 at 12:35am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4027 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 21 of 26 23 May 2014 at 1:35am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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But I see these constructs all the time by English natives...
http://www.tnonline.com/2012/apr/21/jury-out-skyfish-flying- rods http://hell4heather.com/tag/author/ (search for "yet") 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5075 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 22 of 26 23 May 2014 at 1:42am | IP Logged | ||||||||
And yet to an American, the second option sounds much more natural.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6542 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 23 of 26 23 May 2014 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Gemuse, while I'm all for natural learning, one of the key rules of it is being open-minded and accepting that your version of the language is bound to have some gaps, just like that of a native speaker who doesn't have formal instruction.
@1e4e6, I think there's no contradiction in wanting to have had an experience, wanting to be past it. It's just a very specific context and most of the time it's as pointless as double perfect. Edited by Serpent on 23 May 2014 at 5:54am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Silvance Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5439 days ago 57 posts - 81 votes Speaks: English*, Pashto Studies: Dari | Message 24 of 26 17 June 2014 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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"I have yet to have gone to the market."
That sounds kind of odd. I've seen that construct before but I'm unsure as to whether it's actually grammatically correct. "Have yet to" sounds far better when the infinitive is used: "I have yet to go to the market." "I have yet to be disappointed by Amazon." As to the original question, outside of literature, I've never in my life heard a person say "I am yet to." It sounds weird and archaic, and could easily be replaced with "I am not yet," such as: "I am yet to be married." "I am not yet married." For me, both sentences have the similar implications, but the second one sounds far more modern. "I have yet to" sounds good to me as well, but several other forum users have other ideas about that setup, and I'm no true expert on the language. UPDATE: On second reading, the first sentence "I am yet to be married." has a slightly negative, more pessimistic connotation, as if the speaker does not wholeheartedly believe they will ever be married. That could just be my own personal reading however. Edited by Silvance on 17 June 2014 at 8:40pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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