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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4235 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 1 of 14 28 June 2014 at 6:43am | IP Logged | ||
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Each time that I hear this consonant combination, or almost each time, the speaker
pronounces it like "h", i.e. "sju liter" sounds like "hu liter" or something similar. Is this the standard pronunciation, because I thought that "sj" was pronounced like "sh" in "shell", similar to "sj" in the Danish "Sjælland". The same thing happens in words like "sjöar", i.e. "Det ligger månge sjöar" sounds like, "Det ligger månge höar". Edited by 1e4e6 on 28 June 2014 at 7:02am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4044 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 2 of 14 28 June 2014 at 7:36am | IP Logged | ||
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What dialect are you listening to? The sj-sound is prounounced quite differently across the entire Swedish-speaking area. In the south it's produced in the back of the mouth, in central Sweden it's produced in the middle of the mouth, and in the north/Finland it's apparently produced in the front of the mouth (according to Wikipedia).
It should never sound like an H — like the speaker is puffing, if they're from the south (personally, I make the sj-sound almost in the same position as I make my southern/French Rs which makes it kind of panting/puffing sound), maybe, but not an H. At least I've never heard it spoken like that. Hence, I'm wondering what dialect you're listening to. As for "Det ligger månge sjöar", it's "många" in Swedish. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4044 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 3 of 14 28 June 2014 at 7:42am | IP Logged | ||
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I did a YouTube search for you, on a well-known Swedish tongue-twister: "Sju sjösjuka sjömän sköttes av sju sköna sjuksköterskor på det sjunkande skeppet Shanghai." Sj-sounds, galore:
http://youtu.be/mIW7S_i2BqU (colloquial) http://youtu.be/HSDb3A5OthU?t=52s (colloquial) http://youtu.be/IBe0LDsnSv4 (fancy standard Swedish) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4652 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 4 of 14 28 June 2014 at 11:54am | IP Logged | ||
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I still remember when Jeff (?) called it the "coffee machine sound", and I will forever
remember it as that. Edited by tarvos on 28 June 2014 at 11:54am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4235 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 5 of 14 28 June 2014 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am unsure which dialect, as they are on audio tapes for Assimil. I was unsure how
exactly to express the sound, but a huffing "h"-type sound like in the second and partly the third link resembled the audio recordings. But I remember another course where I heard a strong "sh" sound like in "shhh" to quiet someone. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6854 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 14 29 June 2014 at 1:53am | IP Logged | ||
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Coffee machine sound, me? Maybe I've said something like that, but I usually explain it as similar to the sound you make when you're cooling a cup of hot chocolate. Not exactly, but similar enough.
Related thread: Swedish "sj" sound: "hwh" or "sh"? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4613 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 7 of 14 29 June 2014 at 3:42am | IP Logged | ||
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sj is pronounced like either :
a) wh in Scottish accent (whine [hw̥ain]) or b) like a front sh (as in Norwegian sj) even in Stockholm, sh-like pronunciation is sometimes heard word-initially (used by posh people), and by middle class people in middle part of words (the same is true of sk words like kanske [kanshe/kanhwe]) Many people use both pronunciations interchangeably, for example listen to Sylvia Vrethammar in this song (she pronounces it differently in the live version and on the record): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2PSn6LhPfU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWdfthjmgU Edited by Medulin on 29 June 2014 at 3:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4652 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 8 of 14 29 June 2014 at 10:32am | IP Logged | ||
I could swear someone said a coffee machine sound, but cooling a cup of hot chocolate also works for me. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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