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Goal-state = say anything you can in L1 | ||
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| LeadingQuestion Newbie United States Joined 5018 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English | Message 1 of 11 22 September 2010 at 2:46am | IP Logged | ||
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But not necessarily in as many ways as you'd be able to rephrase it. But
1) grammatically, and 2) not merely "technically" grammatically, but at least "acceptably" grammatically enough that the phraseology you use doesn't distract much from what you're getting at. Actually, writing, too. Write anything you can write in your native lang(s) in the ones your conquering (and do so in less idiosyncratic prose than herein) ------------------------------Goal-state ends------------------------ This is a "what I wanna say" approach, and may seem ego-centric, but I don't think it is. It's just what one seeks to do, no? In any language. I am seeking people who get _really_ fluent, I guess, after puberty. Not such a polyglossy thing numbers-wise, necessarily, but perhaps a symptom of getting-stuck/falling-in-love/depth-firsting with a learned language. I have a secret mission to offer, you see ;) It helps if you don't barf at my nested geek-prose, but I'll write "normally" responding to any offhand responders who deign to read through this delurk. (Oh: and hi everyone, and thanks for existing!) Also, if there is a good thread for people who [aim perhaps [increasingly-realistically-seemingly]] to get good enough to say/write anything, So: I haven't seen anyone go specifically for the conversational + other-spoken goal. Anything means I can say "No ??! You sure? I thought Leptons were more important than that" if a physicist in L#<n> is telling me why I should really go for it and try learning real phys-math, and how I should start from a [fields/metrics/categories?] viewpoint. But it might not for you. I need to be able to explain articulatory phonetics as used by me. You may not. I need to be able to speak at registers comfortable or not-insulting to my random interlocutors at various educational levels. Anyone with this goal can presumable speak in a different levels of formality or whatever in L1, so this would be a general goal for those with my "target" objective. (I know this is waaay beyond the average English idiolectical definition of "fluent," but for internal use, I think of this as the definition of thresholding from advanced-intermediate into advanced. "Fluent" would be the same, but being able to say it without taking too much time to ask for vocabulary, or monopolizing too much conversation-turn-time circumlocuting. (I.e. same goal, but you can say things in a couple of ways, one of which is pretty darn generally of acceptable succinctness). "Near native" is the same, but essentially always just as natural and idiomatic as you wish. And... less importantly and orthogonally ... I'm particularly interested if you're one of the supposed 1 in 20 who acquire native-ish pronunciation/accent after e.g. 11-13 years of age (or if you can do mimicry of accents in L1, and therefore presumably could get native-ish sounding if you wanted to or were coached). Edited by LeadingQuestion on 23 September 2010 at 4:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Goethe_girl Newbie United States Joined 5024 days ago 39 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 2 of 11 22 September 2010 at 3:03am | IP Logged | ||
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Work on your exposition.
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| LeadingQuestion Newbie United States Joined 5018 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English | Message 3 of 11 22 September 2010 at 3:43am | IP Logged | ||
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OK:
I am seeking people who get _really_ fluent, I guess, after puberty. Not such a polyglossy thing numbers-wise, necessarily, but perhaps a symptom of getting-stuck/falling-in-love/depth-firsting with a learned language. I have a secret mission to offer, you see ;) -- Sorry to be impolite. (The rest was ancillary, anyway. Bed time :=] ) Edited by LeadingQuestion on 22 September 2010 at 3:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Liface Triglot Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Lif Joined 5698 days ago 150 posts - 237 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Dutch, French | Message 4 of 11 22 September 2010 at 8:26am | IP Logged | ||
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Why is your mission secret? Why don't you post here what you're proposing?
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| LeadingQuestion Newbie United States Joined 5018 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English | Message 5 of 11 23 September 2010 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's only of interest if there are people who aim for that complete-active-competence line (expecting eventually
to get someplace pretty close). If others are interested, I'll respond to questions off-forum, but not here and searchable. The reason: I'm trying to put together a paying gig, and am poor, thus dreaming big. I don't want anyone else to do my idea first, unless they'll take me on a co-partner, basically. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5221 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 6 of 11 23 September 2010 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'd only be interested in the paying kind of way if a co-partner was not, basically, kind of searchable and open in more than secretive ways of acting. Goal-stating is dandy and polyglossy more than just number-wise but it doesn't reach the state of being enough.
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| LeadingQuestion Newbie United States Joined 5018 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English | Message 7 of 11 23 September 2010 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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Not sure what the ""the paying kind of way" refers to誰が何の費用をか , but I'm anything but secretive. Ask me
anything, in specific detail so I don't have to write tons of paragraphs, and I'll respond here or anywhere you like-- I just figured out how to respond here without making it searchable;=) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5221 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 8 of 11 23 September 2010 at 6:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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