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| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5505 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 1 of 11 04 March 2014 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It's "der Frust", so I would expect "aus lautem", but Google thinks otherwise.
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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4789 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 2 of 11 04 March 2014 at 9:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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This is no form of "laut". The word "lauter" is an adverb with the meaning "pure", "sheer", or "nothing but".
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| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5265 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 3 of 11 04 March 2014 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
One minor correction: lauter is an adjective not an adverb. Edited by Doitsujin on 04 March 2014 at 9:40pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4789 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 4 of 11 04 March 2014 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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One could debate if it is an adverb or an indeclinable adjective in this phrase.
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| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5544 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 5 of 11 04 March 2014 at 9:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Well, in the example "lauter" is an undeclinable form.
Compare: Der Schmuck bestand aus lauterem Gold (out of pure gold). Er hatte einen lauteren Charakter. But: aus lauter Liebe vor lauter Neugier So it is not exactly the very literary adjective "lauter" we are dealing here with. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5265 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 6 of 11 04 March 2014 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
"aus lauter Frust" is of course an adverbial phrase, but lauter itself is technically an (indeclinable) adjective. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5505 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 7 of 11 05 March 2014 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Sooooooo.....
There's two "lauters" lauter (indeclinable) - sheer, pure (Angst, Frust) lauter (declinable) - uncaontaminated, 100%, pure (Gold, Wahrheit) or is it only undeclinable after vor/aus ? "Das Madchen verursachte bei mir nur lauteren Frust" ????? I may as well ask. Can I versteiger it ? "Aus noch lauterer Frust...." ? Danke. Please correct any German Unsinnigkeiten. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5265 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 8 of 11 05 March 2014 at 6:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The indeclinable version is primarily used after "vor" and "aus," but doesn't require a prepostion. For example: Zum Jubiläum gab's lauter strahlende Gesichter. = There were only beaming faces at the anniversary party. Das ist lauter/blanker Unsinn. = That's utter nonsense.
Nope. Both are wrong. Note that declinable version of "lauter" is pretty rare these days, except for some fixed expressions. Its antonym, "unlauter," is more frequently used. For example: unlautere Absichten = fraudulent/dishonest intentions unlauterer Wettbewerb = unfair competition 1 person has voted this message useful |
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