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| drygramul Tetraglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4413 days ago 165 posts - 269 votes  Speaks: Persian, Italian*, EnglishC2, GermanB2 Studies: French, Polish | Message 9 of 30 09 November 2013 at 8:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yourself being one of them?
The article is mandatory before every substantive, with few exceptions, none of which apply here. http://grammatica-italiana.dossier.net/grammatica-italiana-0 6.htm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3992 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 10 of 30 09 November 2013 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes sir. Myself one of them (of course).
Well, maybe I misunderstood something. Are we talking about the Italian spoken by Italian people (the natural evolution of the Italian language) or Italian for literature? So a sentence like "Sto studiando inglese" is wrong? Should I say "Sto studiando l'inglese"? When my Italian manager says "Sto scrivendo documentazione" is he using a bad Italian grammar? I find annoying the whole "double language" (spoken vs written - where "la faccia" becomes "il volto" or nobody "va" but "si reca") problem. I have sometimes to do with foreign people who studies Italian and when they speak they use completely uncommon words because they like to read books and even classics: it's just so strange :) (in any case if you studied literature - and even if you don't - I rely on your grammar knowledge since I develop software and living abroad my Italian is becoming worse and worse!) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6542 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 30 09 November 2013 at 11:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| drygramul Tetraglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4413 days ago 165 posts - 269 votes Speaks: Persian, Italian*, EnglishC2, GermanB2 Studies: French, Polish | Message 12 of 30 10 November 2013 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes it is - bad grammar -, but that's not the point. People should learn proper Italian before playing with it, especially English speaking ones. Leaving out the article in some sentences is in fact a corruption we introduced copying from the English language (for instance, next week -> prossima settimana", instead of "la prossima settimana"). In addition, if they get the idea that there are acceptable exceptions to the rules, they'll forget using the article altogether. Finally, I don't think that those who study Italian choose to do so for the colloquial simplification (or ignorance) in fashion nowadays. Btw, I'm not a linguist either. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3992 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 13 of 30 11 November 2013 at 7:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I got your point, drygramul.
You inspired me an interesting topic about the problem, I will create it in another section in order to avoid other noise in this thread :) I hope to see you partecipation on it! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6006 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 14 of 30 13 November 2013 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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@ drygramul, tristano:
I'd like to know one thing: from which region of Italy are you guys? I ask the question because I'm taking Italian classes and all the teachers say that uses vary immensely from region to region (due to former, dialect-based differences). If you don't feel like disclosing it, please send me a PM. I'm really curious. Please notice that what I wrote above is just out of curiosity. I know that Italian grammar rules do not vary from region to region. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| drygramul Tetraglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4413 days ago 165 posts - 269 votes Speaks: Persian, Italian*, EnglishC2, GermanB2 Studies: French, Polish | Message 15 of 30 13 November 2013 at 9:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I am from the area of Milan, Lombardia. Edited by drygramul on 13 November 2013 at 9:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6006 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 16 of 30 14 November 2013 at 12:24am | IP Logged | |||||
My current teacher is from the city of Milan. As she says, "Milano, Milano". Today I told her about the little discussion going on here and she said: "Two Italians discussing in English? Now THAT's a problem in itself." :p Edited by Luso on 14 November 2013 at 12:27am 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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