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Tips to internalize word order

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outcast
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29 July 2013 at 7:08pm | IP Logged 
I was wondering if any of you have words of wisdom to internalize and improve word
order in a new language, quicker or smarter ways that is.

I am now in the stage of Mandarin where I have to begin forming independent sentences
on my own, and not just memorized stock phrases or very short utterances.

While I know most of the rules of how to properly construct Chinese basic sentences,
questions, etc, at the time of speaking it is still difficult. While I have no concerns
with my progress, actually of late I feel more comfortable, if there are specific
techniques or exercises any of you recommend to accelerate the process, or at least to
help get a complete grip on the order, I would like to know.

I still have some trouble at times with very long German sentences that include
multiple verbs in compound tense settings or in the passive/past subjunctive, or have
prefixes or reflexives, or any combination thereof. I know the rules and when writing I
rarely make mistakes anymore, but maybe I could use the same principles for Chinese
here.

I have not seen many questions like this, maybe because the only real answer is
"practice, practice, practice, then repeat, repeat, repeat, then review the practice
and repeat", as I like to say. :)
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29 July 2013 at 11:44pm | IP Logged 
At this point, it seems that I'll try to build acronyms to memorize some Mandarin grammar rules.

However, I'm on a very early stage and still neither know much, nor need to memorize much about it as well.

I'm a big fan of memorization methods, because of the very simple fact that I know how well they work for me. It's working once more for my Chinese characters study.
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Andrew C
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30 July 2013 at 3:01pm | IP Logged 
outcast wrote:

I have not seen many questions like this, maybe because the only real answer is
"practice, practice, practice, then repeat, repeat, repeat, then review the practice
and repeat", as I like to say. :)


Rather than "practice, practice, practice" I would prefer to say "input, input, input" as
how can you practice if you don't know or understand what you are practicing?

Input needs to be consistent and correct, which is why I prefer audio input as with
written input the reader is liable to read incorrectly.

The correct word order will gradually build in your mind with enough input, I think.
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Bakunin
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30 July 2013 at 8:24pm | IP Logged 
I second Andrew_C's comment. Input, input, input. Forget practice, practice, practice. With enough comprehensible input you will develop a feeling for what sounds right and what sounds wrong.


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