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| Steve Kaufmann Newbie Canada thelinguist.blogs.co Joined 5711 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes | Message 33 of 87 12 April 2009 at 5:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree on the importance of time on task. I do not agree that "a great deal of memorization, analysis, practice to build automaticity," are necessary, at least for a long while, as the learner builds up familiarity with the language and an ever increasing vocabulary through input activities. I do not agree that "Learning as quickly as possible to speak" needs to be an important goal at first. I do not believe that 4 hours a day of class time is an efficient use of time. One or two hours a week plus a lot of listening and reading and independent vocab review is far more efficient for many learners. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6681 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 34 of 87 12 April 2009 at 5:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes, I had some problems the first time I tried to change my stuff. Look at the bottom of the SQUARE where your profile is. Do NOT look at the bottom of the page. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Steve Kaufmann Newbie Canada thelinguist.blogs.co Joined 5711 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes | Message 35 of 87 12 April 2009 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Slucido,
I get the following, and then the ads - no box, and no place to change my settings. Perplexed. Forum > Members Language Profiles > Steve Kaufmann Only forum users who have filled out their own Personal Language Profile can access the language statistics page, which shows Forum Members by Native Language, Target Languages by Country and by Native Language as well as the Top Target Languages. Fill out your language profile right now - it takes only 4 minutes! New Logbook Entry 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6681 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 36 of 87 12 April 2009 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I understand and I can agree to a large extent, but it depends on the kind of class and what you work in these classes. Regarding speaking, it depends on your goals. Maybe you need to speak as soon as possible because your job, your business, your family or your life depends on it. Some people feel they progress faster if they use some kind of output or production from the very beginning apart from input. As long as we work with the real language, we feel good and we improve, I don't think the specific method matters. Edited by slucido on 12 April 2009 at 6:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6681 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 37 of 87 12 April 2009 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Steve,
I think you need to LOG IN first. You need your user name (Steve Kaufmann) and your password and log in. Edited by slucido on 12 April 2009 at 6:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Steve Kaufmann Newbie Canada thelinguist.blogs.co Joined 5711 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes | Message 38 of 87 12 April 2009 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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My Profile Logout [Steve Kaufmann] Active Topics Search Messenger Steve Kaufmann, do you have a minute to fill out your Personal Language Profile on this forum? When I click on My Profile I get the following and adds. Forum > Members Language Profiles > Steve Kaufmann Only forum users who have filled out their own Personal Language Profile can access the language statistics page, which shows Forum Members by Native Language, Target Languages by Country and by Native Language as well as the Top Target Languages. Fill out your language profile right now - it takes only 4 minutes! New Logbook Entry I must be missing something very obvious. Thanks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5987 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 40 of 87 13 April 2009 at 1:13am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm not sure if we all agree in what kind of work is intensive and what is extensive in regards to language learning. I will try and divide all the activities I do or have done into these two categories.
Intensive: Assimil Repetitive listening Practice with sound pairs Spelling practise (which at the same time is listening practice too) Reading aloud SRS Careful reading, trying to notice the language more in detail - I only do that in front of my computer using stardict. At the moment I only use a pronouncing dictionary, so I don't look up the meaning of the words, not because it takes too much time, it just that I'm trying out a different approach, I figure out the meaning when I've seen the word a number of times. Writing expression and punctuation (some day) Extensive (Things that I do for fun): Reading novels (without a dictionary, I don't even have one in dead tree edition) Movies and TV (without subtitles) BBC radio and podcasts Surfing the web Speaking (I don't speak too much though) Reading about grammar (some day) For me these two kinds of activities are qualitatively different. The first one is deliberate practice whereas the latter is not practise at all, it's just using the language. The problem is that, since I do both, I can't be quite certain about which of them contributes the most to the learning process. There are also other activities that I don't do cause I think there are a waste of time and that increases intensity as Steve said. In my case there are things like these: Using paper dictionaries Asking in forums or wondering why people say something the way they do Studying grammar Using learning material apart from Assimil Attending to classes. Reading in my native language (apart from work stuff) Watching movies in my native language (I wish, but that's impossible in Spain) What do you thing it's better, going intensively or extensively? Edited by Javi on 13 April 2009 at 1:30am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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