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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4836 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 161 of 261 30 October 2012 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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@montmorency: This is what I've been talking about. In Standard German, post-vocalic /r/ isn't realized as an [ʁ], [ʀ], or [r], but as an [ɐ̯] (Don't know if you can see the IPA symbols in Chrome, so I'll explain the sounds), i.e. not as an 'r'-sound but rather as a dull, non-syllabic 'a'. The ending -er as in 'Bruder' or 'Wasser' is always pronounced [ɐ], i.e. as a dull, syllabic 'a'.
You will hear the 'r' only in South Germany and Switzerland -- and in stage pronunciation (Bühnenaussprache), which is probably the reason why Gert Westphal pronounces it. Stage pronunciation is an idealized, overly enunciate kind of pronunciation used by classical actors and opera singers to better convey the sounds on stage. The lady on www.soundcomparisons.com however speaks absolutely normal Standard German. The only thing I noticed while having a quick glance at the site is that they translate tear with 'Zähre', which is a word used by J. S. Bach in the St Matthew Passion, but not by any living German. Actually, they write 'Träne', but underneath is the IPA transcription for 'Zähre' and the lady says 'Zähre', too. No idea how they came to use that word... 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4836 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 162 of 261 30 October 2012 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Excellent book! I'm using it myself at the moment.
No, Old English didn't use the letter v, and w wasn't invented yet. But as Modern German employs the v in 'vor-' and 'ver-' to represent an [f] sound, it's quite logical that Old English would use a real f. You can also find this in e.g. Swedish, which has the prefix 'för-'.
'Ymh-' corresponds with German 'um-'.
Nope, Icelandic is morphologically much more complicated than Old English. But OE is a bit more complex than Modern German, although not that much. One could compare it to Faroese, I think. Edited by Josquin on 30 October 2012 at 9:18pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 163 of 261 31 October 2012 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Thanks, montmorency. There are more details than I could foresee, from [ʁɛ̝çt], with a raised /e/ and "normal" /t/ to [mäʊs], with a centralized /a/. Nice! :)) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 164 of 261 02 November 2012 at 2:52am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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German Monthly Report
Activities done * "The Big Bang Theory", German audio with German subtitles, once more some episodes from first season. * "Game of Thrones", German audio, all second season. * "Ostseefluch" by Eva Almstädt, finished. Good, but not enough to make me buy other books from this writer. * "Lernen" by Manfred Spitzer, very interesting book, but I'm reading it it very slowly. * "Siddhartha" by Hermann Hesse. Quite interesting. Besides, the language is simple. Edit: I've read just 1/4 of this book so far. * "Geist und Gehirn". Have seen more from this interesting series. * Flashcards in my Langenscheidt German-Portuguese iPhone app. Just to intensively train some important not yet memorized words. * Every day, many times a day, I read something on Wikipedia and some news from "Die Zeit". * Other activities reported here on this log. Thanks again to Josquin for his great support! Progress This has been a month of no visible progress, but just been able to read and listen more and more is enough. Edited by Flarioca on 02 November 2012 at 4:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 165 of 261 02 November 2012 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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The best IPA typing site I've found so far.
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| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 166 of 261 07 November 2012 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I'll use this log to report my progress in the Assimil Experiment, along with our Group Log.
I'll put some useful links for Catalan also in the first message of this log. The first one is the site Els sons del Català. Edit: I'll start only at November 15th, but couldn't resist to find some resources. Besides, I'm aware that for this experiment we are not supposed to use much beyond Assimil. Edited by Flarioca on 07 November 2012 at 1:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 167 of 261 08 November 2012 at 2:26pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Learning languages can be, I would say, often is, a life-changing experience. It gives you access to stuff you would hardly find otherwise and, no, automatic translation isn't the same thing, it will never be, I guess.
Reading this article on Zeit Online I've decided to search for the mentioned scientific works on juggling. Indeed there seems to be a very unexpected positive effect out of this activity, which is great for me, since I'm learning it, after my child's request :-)) It is also worth remarking that the Wikipedia article in German about juggling is way much better than the English one, not only containing the scientific reference cited in the forementioned Zeit Online article, but some other and more recent ones. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 168 of 261 11 November 2012 at 1:11am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Another useful online grammar.
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