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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4657 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 209 of 261 20 December 2012 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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It's interesting that you're doing dictation from your lessons. I've done it since my first Assimil French lesson; it just seemed like a logical way to learn the spelling of the language, and also to make sure I was perceiving all the grammar precisely (not skipping over prepositions, getting the endings right since so many are silent in French, putting all the words in the right order). You're the first other person I've read who makes it a regular practice.
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| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 210 of 261 20 December 2012 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I'm enjoying it and still remember how important dictation was for me in order to learn writing Portuguese. However, I prefer to delay taking the dictation, because it allows further encounters and reinforcement of grammatical structures and important words. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 211 of 261 20 December 2012 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Assimil Experiment: El Catalán sin esfuerzo - Day 36 - Lesson 36
They must know what they are doing. Lesson 36 was much shorter and easier than any other in the last group, and introduces almost nothing new. Time required for individual lessons (minutes) Trenta-sis (36) = 20 Total time for groups of lessons (hours) 1 to 7 = 2.1 8 to 14 = 3.1 15 to 21 = 2.8 22 to 28 = 3.8 29 to 35 = 3.1 I would add about 1.0 hour for each group due to repetitions during commute. Total time 1 to 35 = 19.9 hours Edit: A bad English mistake ... Edited by Flarioca on 21 December 2012 at 5:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 212 of 261 20 December 2012 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
The first link links to my own log, to the post with my schedule :-)
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| Quique Diglot Senior Member Spain cronopios.net/Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4674 days ago 183 posts - 313 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: French, German | Message 213 of 261 20 December 2012 at 6:40pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Probably they view it as something for small kids, and an affront for someone as knowledgeable as themselves... Some professors are like that. When I learned French in school we had plenty of dictations. Years later, in my Danish class for immigrants we also made many. It was very hard at the beginning: to my ears Danish didn't sound clear at all, and its spelling does as much/little sense as the English one. But at the end I could spell better than some friends of mine that were native Danes. I mostly learned English on my own, so no dictations. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5218 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 214 of 261 20 December 2012 at 9:45pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Yeah, something like that. Two of them needed reassurance (one of the points of the exercise), another didn't want to be exposed as the clueless ignorant she really was, I suppose. Like it took a three-sentence dictation :) On another occasion I gave another group videos with subtitles, transcriptions on paper, glossaries, the whole shebang for their homework (watch an episode of Frasier, or something similar, no test, no exercises, just watch, have a laugh and hopefully learn something), and I asked them if they knew what to do with the materials. They said they did, and when they came back the next day and it was clear that they didn't, I explained a few ways how they could use everything. Then they complained that I spent too much time discussing methodology. Those who enter a class thinking they know everything don't usually learn a lot...
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| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 215 of 261 22 December 2012 at 3:15am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Assimil Experiment: El Catalán sin esfuerzo - Day 37 - Grammar
For various reasons, I've decided to study grammar today instead of doing the lesson 37. As said before, personal pronouns, more specifically pronominal clitics, are possibly the most difficult stuff in the Catalan grammar. Of course, less than half an hour isn't enough, but helps a little. Time required for individual lessons (minutes) Trenta-sis (36) = 20 Grammar = 28 Total time for groups of lessons (hours) 1 to 7 = 2.1 8 to 14 = 3.1 15 to 21 = 2.8 22 to 28 = 3.8 29 to 35 = 3.1 I would add about 1.0 hour for each group due to repetitions during commute. Total time 1 to 35 = 19.9 hours 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5874 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 216 of 261 22 December 2012 at 4:30pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Assimil Experiment: El Catalán sin esfuerzo - Day 38 - Lesson 37
Comprehension, of course, is not only linked to number of words or speech pace. This was a short lesson at the same pace of the last one, and I didn't understand about 20% of it until reading the Spanish text. Anyway, it seems that I'm getting comfortable with some of the grammatical points that were more complex for me. Time required for individual lessons (minutes) Trenta-sis (36) = 20 Grammar = 28 Trenta-set (37) = 29 Total time for groups of lessons (hours) 1 to 7 = 2.1 8 to 14 = 3.1 15 to 21 = 2.8 22 to 28 = 3.8 29 to 35 = 3.1 I would add about 1.0 hour for each group due to repetitions during commute. Total time 1 to 35 = 19.9 hours Edited by Flarioca on 22 December 2012 at 4:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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