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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5326 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 369 of 1511 04 December 2012 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I love being on a forum where Breton mutations is something which actually is of interest to people :-)
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 370 of 1511 04 December 2012 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think the more pertinent thing about that is that if it's being written about, it's
in some scholarly fashion, and it hasn't been vulgarised (in the French sense of the word) for people, especially not in English since the only people who will regularly be in contact with the language are bound to be Francophones (although many Dutch and English people possess property in Brittany - the reason I knew this language existed was due to a good friend of mine spending countless holidays there - he described the amount of materials as "the only thing we learned were the things we took home written on a napkin in the car. That's how much materials there were". Presumably he did not know about Assimil ten years ago). It is true that Breton is rare and endangered and that I have had the luck to find a good grammar in Brest (and a terrible dictionary - if anyone knows a good dictionary for Breton in both directions please point me to it; English and French are allowed as base languages), but if anything this log should be of interest to people for a few reasons: 1) it is an uncommon source of exposure to a rare language which you cannot find anywhere else on the internet 2) it is written in two languages that are most likely to be the native tongues of people trying to learn that particular language 3) there is grammar, but it's not described as a set of tables; furthermore this means you can learn about how the Breton language works while being taken through the steps of a baby apprentice learner who has had to do it from scratch through a language that is not his native tongue 4) at some point, it will be a source of written Breton which is rare enough on the internet as it is 5) it defends the interests of a minority language from the viewpoint of an outsider to the area. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 371 of 1511 05 December 2012 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
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After having spent most of the past days doing things related to university, I have
also found a tiny bit of time for languages SV: Först och främst har jag tittat på ett avsnitt av "The Bridge". Det är delvis talat på svenska och danska. Jag tror att jag kan förstå en stor del av vad man säger på svenska, men danska har jag ju betydligt svårare att fatta. Utan det förstår jag ändå några ord eller meninger på dansk, men mest ofta använder man andra ord på danska i motsats till svenska. Och uttalet hjälper inte. BR: Desket am eus brezhoneg hiziv. Plijout a ra din al levr, met diaes eo gomz brezhoneg ivez. Ur bern traoù eo ret din ober. Bremañ a skrivan galleg, peogwir a komprenit. FR: J'ai pas fait quelque chose d'intéressant en français, et j'ai pas eu la force de finir mon livre hier. Donc je le finirai ce soir. РУ:Наконец-то прочитал мой журнал на русском, но мне еще сложно было. И совсем скучно. Гм. Edited by tarvos on 06 December 2012 at 10:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5048 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 372 of 1511 06 December 2012 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
Что прочитал? "Прочитать" cannot be used without a direct object as well as nearly all transitive perfective verbs Edited by Марк on 06 December 2012 at 6:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 373 of 1511 06 December 2012 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Что вы думаете?
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5326 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 374 of 1511 07 December 2012 at 12:45am | IP Logged | |||||
Mark : You are great at reading and correcting, but don't forget the positive encouraging comments :-) Remember to say at least one nice thing with every correction. That will change your comments from bordering on the uncivil, to absolutely fantastic. Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 07 December 2012 at 12:46am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 375 of 1511 07 December 2012 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
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He doesn't even have to be nice to me, just not assume I am some bozo from Stupidistan
who has no idea what he's talking about. He can think that about anyone else, but with me, that is probably NOT the correct assumption to make, particularly because I am someone who cares about not being ignorant. Anyhow: Le Breton sans Peine (until lesson 35) What I have learned so far is that the first mutation is really popular. It's not just triggered by articles but also by half the prepositions, possessives and verbal particles: and it can make words a little hard to understand sometimes just because you're getting c'h instead of g, g instead of k, v instead of m, etc. Pretty much everything forces a mutation, which also means dictionaries are nigh-on useless because the basic form is practically never found in a text thanks to those mutations. Oh well, c'est la vie, hein? Furthermore I have learned to conjugate the verb "to have" in full, I can conjugate pretty much all verbs in the present tense, the habitual tense, a sort of passé composé form, the progressive tense, and that's it. Time to learn some more tenses such as a future or an imperfect or a conditional. I know they exist, let's do this. Oh I can form imperatives too. Furthermore I have learned how to use the particle -se which is an epithet indicating this or that. It's the only thing you use for demonstratives, so, in true Breton fashion, it's really easy. That means I am lacking three important grammatical things to speak fluent Breton: 1. Sufficient vocabulary 2. A handle on the other common verbal tenses 3. The mutations that are missing. Furthermore I don't get any speaking practice, but it's an endangered language. C'est la vie. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5218 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 376 of 1511 07 December 2012 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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At the risk of being told to mind my own business (which I'd consider OK so don't hesitate)...
From my experience, most Russians (and even me sometimes) are like that: it's not that they mean to be mean or rude or belittle anybody -- they simply think that pointing out what's wrong is enough (and are insensitive to how pointing out the fact may annoy somebody). While that may be true for sufficiently advanced learners, it is not the general case. So, without the need to get into any 'puke rainbows' zone being all happy all smiles all positive all the time, I would advice Mapk (or anybody, really) to please simply add "I'd say it this or that way, depending on such and such" after you point out that <whatever> is wrong. That may still not be 'nice' enough for some people, but I think it's way better in terms of usefulness, and I hope we all can accept as a lowest common denominator here. 6 persons have voted this message useful |
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