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| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4136 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes  Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 137 of 336 08 October 2013 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | ||
Sounds like a great plan! I think it's really interesting that you're learning Karen - and also a great way to connect with the person that you're tutoring. Is there any information about the Polyglot Conference in Montreal? I'd love to go! Although with 3+1 languages, I won't be a polyglot - I'd still like to spend some time surrounded by other language enthusiasts. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5383 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 138 of 336 08 October 2013 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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Not much information yet (at least that I've found). Just that it will be sometime next
October in Montreal and New York. And they've said that people without a dozen languages are certainly welcome to attend. :) Wrote my first composition in Irish but so far it only has one view on Lang-8 :( If anyone with any degree of fluency in Irish above mine is on Lang-8 let me know so I can add you. Anyway, here it is:
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| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5383 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 139 of 336 09 October 2013 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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On to Unit 3 where I was promptly presented with an intimidating vocabulary list of
members of the family (which also included the version with the definite article and the plural forms). I think my system for digesting the lessons is working, though. I look at the list, freak out a bit, but instead of drilling those words to death, I go straight to the dialogues (the only audio that works on my iPhone while commuting) and just play them over and over (and over and over) again, pausing and replaying different snippets to really get it down. I find that it's been pretty effective. Memrise helps a lot with the vocab. I've been downloading all kinds of Gaeilge apps and there's quite a few good ones. I also discovered TG Lurgan which is some kind of Irish MTV or something. What's fun is they do covers of popular songs in Gaeilge, such as this epic one: Can't Hold Us I also discovered (and confirmed last night at my language group) that Craig Ferguson has a sort of cult cachet in France. So much so that someone copied his show down to the smallest detail (and was highly criticized for it and almost sued but then Craig paid him a visit). There are a ton of clips but this fairly NSFW one will help you exercise your street French: Ce soir avec Arthur Edited by sctroyenne on 09 October 2013 at 6:44pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5383 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 140 of 336 13 October 2013 at 2:34am | IP Logged | ||
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I finally attended a local Irish study group today after my English lesson with my
refugee. They seem like really good people and I already have some ideas for projects we could put together jointly. I managed to get some corrections on my first composition - some of which I understood, others not so much - and now I can work on "mastering" that material. I also received the Gaeilge gan Stró book (straight from Ireland)! Flipping through I'm a bit discouraged as it's clear you really do only achieve A1 level by the end of the first course. But you know, that's part of the reality of learning a more distant language, it just takes more time. I can be humble and accept I probably won't manage to learn the language much faster than the average person. But that's ok, at the end of 3 months I'll certainly know much more than I did before and that's all that really matters. For the remainder of the weekend I think I'll continue some intensive study, prepare audio files for my commute and prepare my "islands" for this week's language meetup. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5383 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 141 of 336 15 October 2013 at 3:09am | IP Logged | ||
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I checked out some of the other courses I had looked at before but frustrated me too
much while learning. It's clear why - they're incredibly dense. It's nice to go back now after using Gaeilge gan Stró and start to make more sense of what was contained in only a few pages of the first lessons. They go into grammatical explanations (which Gaeilge gan Stró hides from you until absolutely necessary) which I can now make more sense of having had more exposure. During this morning's commute I was having all kinds of aha! moments. So much so that I decided to check out the Grammar Summary section at the end - that produced the opposite of an aha! moment. The rules for lenition are quite convoluted and it's much better working on them one by one. I find this is the best way to work on grammar - get some easy early exposure, learn some phrases and simple dialogues. Then start learning some basic grammar factoids based on phrases already encountered. Then go back to teaching dialogues and phrases building on what has already been learned, then go for grammar explanations again based on what's already been encountered. Checking out the "back of the book" let me see just how complex it gets but no reason to stress out about it. I'll get to it when I get to it. :) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| liammcg Senior Member Ireland Joined 4596 days ago 269 posts - 397 votes Speaks: English* | Message 142 of 336 15 October 2013 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are indeed many situations where lenition occurs. To begin with I'd advise you to
focus on lenition after the article (for feminine words). e.g. an bhean- the woman an fhuinneog- the window but an oíche- the night (still feminine but begins with a vowel so no lenition occurs). Then move on to lenition of the adjective that follows feminine words> an bhean mhór, an fhuinneog bheag. Next, perhaps get the possessive pronouns down and really focus on the lenition, n.b. his vs hers. It's only when I'd have these down that I'd move on to say, lenition in verbs or after prepositions. Coinnigh ort leis an staidéar! Edited by liammcg on 15 October 2013 at 5:01pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5383 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 143 of 336 15 October 2013 at 4:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think that's essentially the way to go about it, it seems much simpler that way. My
courses are teaching lenition after an for feminine words for the moment and I just read about lenition after possessive pronouns. Does it sound really wrong to native and proficient speakers if you don't leniate correctly (the way getting masculine/feminine wrong in French and Spanish will stand out immediately to native speakers) or is that a class of mistake that everyone makes from time to time? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| liammcg Senior Member Ireland Joined 4596 days ago 269 posts - 397 votes Speaks: English* | Message 144 of 336 15 October 2013 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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You don't need to worry about it too much in the early stages, if you make a mistake
there's no problem. Yes, even I make mistakes from time to time having studied the language for fifteen years! 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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