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| Kez Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4349 days ago 181 posts - 212 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: Swedish | Message 201 of 553 08 January 2013 at 10:26am | IP Logged | |||||
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It would be nice to merge, I have spoken to a few people from Team #2 and they wouldn't
mind to merge. Here's my challenge: SECOND VIKING CHALLENGE (+ small explanation) I've learned about the use of capital letters in Swedish (probably in other Scandinavian languages as well) and wanted to do the challenge and put a small explanation with it to help myself & others (please correct any mistakes made). The use of capital letters in Swedish is different than it is in English. Capital letters are used the same way as in English when: - It's a beginning of a sentence: Hur mår du? - After a colon in direct speech: Hon sade: “Hur mår du?” - To show respect: Herren, Hans Majestät Konungen. - In proper names: Ingvar Andersson, Volvo, Malmö, Danmark. However, there are many words in Swedish that are spelled with small letters, where they would be capital letters in English: tisdagen den 8:e januari - Tuesday the 8th of Januari påsk, midsommar, jul - Easter, Midsummer, Christmas All the names of the days of the week and the month: måndag, tisdag, onsdag - Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday augusti, september, oktober - August, September, October For example: I Sverige börjar vintern redan i slutet av oktober. In Swedish all the names of languages, adjectives to describe national origin, nationalities, religion, political affiliation and those deriving from a place name are all written with a small letter: svenska - Swedish engelska - English socialdemokrat - Social Democrat stockholmare - Stockholmer For example: Jag pratar svenska och engelska. Hon är socialdemokrat. Han är stockholmare. Swedish also has a capital only in the first word in names consisting of two or more words (unless any of the subsequent words is itself a proper noun): Den helige ande - the Holy Spirit Peter den store - Peter the Great Förente staterna - the United States but: Republiken Sydafrika - the Republic of South Africa My 3 sentences for the challenge: Jag är holländsk men jag lär mig svenska eftersom jag älskar Sverige. Jag kommer att besöka Sverige i mars och jag ska försöka att tala bara svenska när jag är där. Jag har träffat en fransman, tysk och en holländare i måndags. [Please correct me if there are mistakes in here, I just typed out everything because I learn better that way.] Edited by Kez on 08 January 2013 at 10:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5916 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 202 of 553 08 January 2013 at 11:02am | IP Logged | |||||
Fem minutter utan ordbok, osv. Jag har aldrig skrivit på svenska utan min ordbok. Jag är inte säker att jag ska skriva någon interessad. Ibland tror jag att jag har lärt mig så mera språk och kanske ska jag blir förvirrad. Fem minuter med två ordböcker och en ordförråd lista. Idag har jag varit upptagen. Min hus var en röra, eftersom jag hade känt ganska bekvam under det helt veckoslutet. Jag ville att göra ingenting men lyssna på radio och läsa några böcker. *I had to use the English word "challenge" because I didn't know the Swedish word until after I was done typing and looked it up in my bilingual dictionary. So I now know the word "utmaning", but I didn't when I typed the first part.* I welcome any corrections anyone would like to make to make. I will do the second challenge in the morning after I get some sleep. Hej då Mick Edited by mick33 on 08 January 2013 at 11:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 203 of 553 08 January 2013 at 11:22am | IP Logged | |||||
I managed to pick out a few obvious mistakes. I'll leave the actual details to the Swedes, but a few things I can also tell you: Jag lär mig/jag känner mig (I'm learning/I feel) are reflexive in Swedish. If you use ska, then you use the infinitive form of the verb (ska jag bli, ska jag resa till Stockholm) If you use det veckoslutet, adjectives are always in the -a form (det hela veckoslutet, ett helt veckoslut). Although you can also just use helg(en) for weekend. It also means that as well as holiday nowadays if I am not mistaken. If you want to say "I didn't want to do anything but", you cannot use "men", I think utan would be a better proposition, but I'll leave the Swedes to say if that is correct. These are just the things I noticed; I don't know the higher-order nuances. If any Swedes see me slipping up, tell me. Edited by tarvos on 08 January 2013 at 11:24am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6901 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 204 of 553 08 January 2013 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
None of the above, I just need that dreaded thing known as dead-time! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5326 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 205 of 553 08 January 2013 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
:-) By the way, would you like to correct the Swedish, or should I have a go at it at the risk of totally butchering your native language? Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 08 January 2013 at 7:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6901 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 206 of 553 08 January 2013 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Kez:
Jag är [holländsk]/holländare men jag lär mig svenska eftersom jag älskar Sverige. I'd say "Jag är holländare" (cf. fransman/tysk/holländare below). Jag kommer att besöka Sverige i mars och (jag) ska försöka att [tala bara]/bara tala svenska när jag är där. Optional repeat of subject, "bara tala" instead of "tala bara", even it could seem as if you'll only speak Swedish (and do nothing else during the whole stay). I can't say that your sentence is grammatically incorrect, but I'd choose "bara tala". Jag har träffat/träffade en fransman, en tysk och en holländare i måndags. Added indefinite article. I'd use 'träffade' instead of 'har träffat', probably because the time frame is mentioned (I think Solfrid mentioned this guideline in this thread or one of the logs). Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 08 January 2013 at 7:44pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6901 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 207 of 553 08 January 2013 at 7:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Mick33:
Jag har aldrig skrivit på svenska utan min ordbok. - correct! Jag är inte säker på att jag ska skriva någon interessad/något intressant. added preposition - "säker på";gender - use neuter "något" for general things;word form/spelling - "intresserad av" (="interested in") and "intressant" ("interesting") isn't the same thing. Ibland tror jag att jag har lärt mig [så mera]/så många/för många språk och kanske ska/kommer jag (att) blir/bli förvirrad. Unnatural expression - perhaps you meant "too many languages?;choice of words - "kommer" instead of "ska" sounds better, there's probably a rule for this;verb tense - always infinitive after auxiliary verbs like ska/kommer att/vill/kan/måste/behöver... Fem minuter med två ordböcker och en [ordförråd lista]/ordlista. Ordlista = dictionary Idag har jag varit upptagen. Correct! Min/mitt hus var en röra, eftersom jag hade känt mig ganska bekväm under [det helt veckoslutet]/hela helgen. Gender;added reflexive pronoun;rephrased expression. Jag [ville [att] göra ingenting]/ville inte göra någonting [men]/förutom att lyssna på radio och läsa några böcker. Instead of auxiliary verb+verb+ingenting, use "inte.... någonting" (not...anything);unnatural expression - "men" ("but") in subordinary clauses (like "...anything, but") is "förutom". Another thing, the infinitive marker "att" isn't needed after vill/ska/måste/behöver/kan. Hope this helps! Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 08 January 2013 at 7:44pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6895 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 208 of 553 08 January 2013 at 9:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As a result of a group decision, let us consider both teams... MERGED! All the new members of Team Viking: welcome on board! Good luck with your language studies, and let us not forget to keep each other motivated and inspired :).
Please just write in this thread that you officially join us, introduce yourselves, and post links to your logs. (By the way, some links of the "old" Vikings are still missing: please check if your logs are among them.) @Kez and @Marya: I've already added you both to the list of team members! @Mae: the website is not superfluous, no way! We just need some time to get it going and figure out our ways to use it, some people don't read HTLAL every day, and probably some Vikings will write more there than the others, depending on the individual preferences... but the blog has all potential to become great :) And thanks for all explanations and links about using Wordpress! @Cristina: I'll definitely take part in the second challenge! I've been just too busy during the last couple of days. @Emme: the best post ever, truly! I watched "Karl-Bertil Jonssons julafton" (and I would recommend it to all other Swedish beginners!), and partly "Kan du vissla Johanna?", and I will try the other ones. It would be nice if you could keep posting links (and I'll do the same when I find films available for watching from abroad). Oh, and don't be technofobic about the blog! Struggling to get the posts on-line here on HTLAL is a whole different thing, as this forum is pretty full of bugs. I think we all struggle with HTLAL from time to time, irrespective of our technical skills and the quality of our Internet access. One more thing about movies on-line: I'm thinking about getting a VPN. If you're interested in it or you have no idea what the letters VPN stand for, you might find this thread worth reading. @Kez: thank you so much for your post about Swedish spelling rules! @jeff_lindqvist: would you correct my challenge post as well? I'd be really, really grateful! Edited by Julie on 08 January 2013 at 9:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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