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| carlyd Groupie United States Joined 3981 days ago 94 posts - 138 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 113 of 225 17 January 2015 at 1:18am | IP Logged | ||
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Aack--thank you. I didn't think of that.
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| Nieng Zhonghan Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Antarctica Joined 3663 days ago 108 posts - 315 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Japanese*, Spanish, Galician Studies: Finnish, Icelandic, Armenian, Mongolian Studies: Old English, Russian, English, German, Korean, Mandarin | Message 114 of 225 17 January 2015 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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On German dictionaries
May I ask you what German dictionaries you recommend for A1, A2 and B1 level learner? Are you currently using a monolingual dictionary? When have you started using it? At B1, B2 or C1 level? As for reading (books etc), how do you use your dictionary? What do you do with the unknown words, idioms, expressions, etc? Do you take notes, make flashcards, list of vocabulary of simply ignore it in order to read more smoothly without many interruptions? Have you checked the words in a bilingual dictionary (ZB German-English etc) first, then German-German dictionary or vice-verse in order to make sure you really understood the entry's meaning? What is your approach? I bought an illustrated German-English dictionary made by Dk because I liked their Chinese-English version. Since I learned all words in English, now I am trying to memorize some words in both Chinese and German. I leave them in different parts of the place I live in or I just bring it together with me wherever I go because it is relatively small and not heavy. It contains pictures and it helps me to learn some random words or some specific words related to fields of my interest. Even though it is a bilingual illustrated dictionary, I think it is indeed interesting for my beginner level, but I am considering buying a monolingual dictionary in the near future. It is not that I am going to use it immediately, but I'd like to know how much I should save money for buying it as I am considering investing in some German books next month or even the end of January. If there is a good dictionary, I am going to purchase it together with the children's or A1 level books because of the money's currency rate of the country I am living in. (Euro and US dollar got less expensive yesterday and until the end of the month I guess it may reach slightly better rate for this country's usual standard). On "Paprika" I am not really sure whether the problem is possibly due to a wrong translation or some kind of typo given in my dictionary (German-Japanese). I checked the entry in three dictionaries I have in my room and I still have doubts whether it is correct or not. Zum Beispiel: "Paprika". This word appeared into my text as a compound word (Paprikasoße) and I just wanted to check the gender of Paprika. In one dictionary it is written “masculine noun”; in the second one it is written “Substantiv, maskulin oder Substantiv, feminin”, and the latter on simply states as following: “noun 1” r Paprika Plural: e Paprikas/e Paprika “noun 2” r, e Paprika. Plural: e Paprikas/e Paprika It gave me two entries, but I am not sure I understood its meaning. Is it a typo or something? The dictionary didn't give me any further explanation as I expected. Does anyone can tell me the difference between the Paprika as masculine and feminine genders? As for the plural form of them, which one is more used? Paprika or Paprikas? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ccaesar Triglot Groupie Denmark Joined 3787 days ago 84 posts - 94 votes Speaks: Danish*, English, German Studies: Italian | Message 115 of 225 17 January 2015 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hallo Leute!
Entschuldigung für die Verspätung, mir war es nicht bekannt, dass unser Team schon einen Thread hat. So, was machen wir genau? Schaut jeder bestimmte Logs an? (Damit Zeit gespart wird), oder muss jeder alle logs durchlesen? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Ccaesar 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4226 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 116 of 225 17 January 2015 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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Man muss alle Logs folgen, um einen Team zu bilden, glaube ich ;) Natürlich du wählst, was zu machen, aber
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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4525 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 117 of 225 17 January 2015 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | ||
It's pretty simple: Some (only foreign?) words - paprika comes from Hungarian - can take more than one gender, the use of which can be regionally based. My wife from North Germany has always used the feminine form, but apparently there are parts of the German speaking world that use the masculine form (perhaps in Austria). My dictionary also show that either plural form (Paprikas or Paprika) is correct. Paprika can either refer to the fruit or the spicy powder. Another example of this is the word "Jogurt" which can be masculine or neuter. I thought Tofu was also either der/das, but my dictionary shows only the der form. EDIT: This wasn't quite right. Having now read three dictionary definitions of Paprika (!) I realize that the powder/plant is always der, but the fruit can be der/die - see below. Edited by patrickwilken on 17 January 2015 at 6:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| WingSuet Triglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 5343 days ago 169 posts - 211 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, German Studies: Cantonese | Message 118 of 225 17 January 2015 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | ||
While I'm reading, I don't use the dictionary at all. If I own the book I underline the words that I don't know and look them up later. I also add them to my flashcard program, Mnemosyne, to learn all the words. If I don't own the book, I either make notes of the words, or I just ignore the words I don't know. This method is actually not bad, as I have noticed that I do learn words this way too, if they reappear you can understand them from the context. As for a monolingual dictionary, the Duden online is actually very helpful, so you may not need to buy a physical one. Here's for example what it says about Paprika: http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Paprika_Paprikaschote_Ge muese but on words that are a bit more difficult to understand the meaning of, it gives a lot more information about it's different interpretations. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4525 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 119 of 225 17 January 2015 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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I own perhaps a half a dozen German dictionaries. I have hardly used most of them.
I think the most important question you need to ask is what you want to use them for. There are a number of good free online dictionaries: LEO: dict.leo.org Dict.cc: www.dict.cc/?s=German Duden: www.duden.de PONS: de.pons.com If you use the Firefox browser, I can also recommend the Firelang extension that offers a pop-up dictionary, and also use to easily export looked up words into your favorite SRS program. If you are using ebooks, I can recommend the PONS German-English dictionary (don't know if there is a good German-Japanese available). The Collins dictionary is also good, but I think the PONS is a bit better. If you have a Kindle you can get for free the Duden - Deutsches Universalwörterbuch as your default German dictionary, but it's not really useful until you are in B2 territory. This is a lot more useful than the Duden pop-up. Here are examples from the PONS and Duden: ========== PONS Advanced German -> English Dictionary / PONS Wörterbuch Deutsch -> Englisch Advanced (German Edition) (PONS GmbH) Pap·ri·ka <-s, -[s]> [ˈpaprika] m 1. kein pl (Strauch) paprika no pl, capsicum spec 2. (Schote) pepper, capsicum spec 3. kein pl (Gewürz) paprika no pl, no art ========== Duden Deutsches Universalwörterbuch (Duden) 1Pa·p·ri·ka, der; -s, -[s] [über das Ung. < serb. paprika, zu: papar = Pfeffer < lat. piper, Pfeffer]: 1. (zu den Nachtschattengewächsen gehörende) als Kraut od. [Halb]strauch wachsende Pflanze mit länglichen od. rundlichen hohlen Früchten von sehr verschiedener Größe u. grüner, roter od. gelber Farbe, die als Gemüse gegessen od. als Gewürz verwendet werden. 2. [scharfes] bräunlich rotes Gewürz in Pulverform, das aus reifen, getrockneten Paprikaschoten gewonnen wird: süßer, scharfer P.; mit P. würzen. 2Pa·p·ri·ka, der; -s, -[s] od. die; -, -[s]: Frucht des 1Paprikas (1); Paprikaschote: gefüllte P. essen. ========== As you can see the Duden gives a much better explanation, but if your German is not strong enough it's not very useful. I like the Duden as it gives the etymology of the word (here from Hungarian (paprika) from Latin (piper) - which also gives us Pfeffer in German). There are three versions of the word: (1) masculine with plural form Paprika/Paprikas for the plant or (2) same form for the spicy powder (note: PONS/Langenscheidt says there is no plural form); (3) die/das with Paprika/Paprikas (as plural) for the fruit. Mostly when people talk about Paprika they are referring to the fruit (I am going do a stirfry with Paprika) or sometimes to the powder (I added Paprika to the stew). I don't think I've heard anyone talk about Paprika the plant, but of course that makes sense. If you look for dictionaries "als Fremdsprache" you'll find mono-dictionaries that are specifically designed for learners. I really like the Langenscheidt Großwörterbuch Deutsch als Fremdsprache, but again this is not really useful until you get into B2 territory, and at that point the Duden is probably better, still the Langenscheidt is great, but unfortunately only in paper form at the moment. Edited by patrickwilken on 17 January 2015 at 10:45pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Nieng Zhonghan Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Antarctica Joined 3663 days ago 108 posts - 315 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Japanese*, Spanish, Galician Studies: Finnish, Icelandic, Armenian, Mongolian Studies: Old English, Russian, English, German, Korean, Mandarin | Message 120 of 225 17 January 2015 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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WingSuet und patrickwilken,
Vielen Dank! I actually try to use online dictionary, but unfortunately I don't have internet connection most of times. So, I have to rely on my electronic dictionary that somehow came with German-Japanese in-built dictionary or my paper dictionaries. I didn't know about the add-on for Firefox. I will definitely try it by next week. Thank you very much! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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