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Radioclare’s tac log 2015 (*jäŋe/*ledús) | ||
Tags: Macedonian | Serbian | Serbo-Croatian | Croatian | Esperanto | Total Annihilation Challenge (TAC) | ||
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 257 of 292 04 July 2015 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
I wouldn't call it a mistake, and I honestly don't know enough Croatian to judge, but in Slavic languages we tend to be more direct. (and according to Medulin, Croatians score 10/10 in directness :D) Basically, in English it's common to say things like "not very X" when we really mean "very not-X". In Slavic languages we tend to use the antonym instead, and especially attach un- to adjectives, or prefixes like мало- (in Russian) etc. For example in Russian I would basically say "I think in Russia almost nobody knows him", and I've really struggled with learning to say these things more appropriately :DDD (to me that's the same kind of adjusting to the communication style as using the informal language in Finland, with those I normally maintain a distance with, like salespeople, clerks, teachers etc) Or another example, I once told someone "my English is worse than yours", which basically implies that her English is bad :DDD "not so good as yours" just sounds so clumsy to me!!! Edited by Serpent on 04 July 2015 at 6:37pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4575 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 258 of 292 04 July 2015 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Do you have any ideas what might be a better way to say it in Croatian then? Perhaps "premda pretpostavljam da nitko u Hrvatskoj nikada nije čuo za njega"?? I guess I have the opposite problem in that I sometimes feel like what I'm saying in a foreign language sounds really rude, even though it may be perfectly acceptable, just more direct. I certainly had plenty of cultural misunderstandings with Germans when I was younger which essentially arose due to not being direct enough :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 259 of 292 04 July 2015 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, I'd add almost, as I'm sure there are some geeks who've heard :) and i actually looked up almost now. Of course I heard skoro many times, but in Russian it means soon, so yeah awkward.
Oh I know... in Finland nobody uses the formal 2nd person address anymore but it's hard not to feel rude while using the informal with everyone :D Scandinavian/English influence. Edited by Serpent on 04 July 2015 at 8:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4575 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 260 of 292 04 July 2015 at 11:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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In Croatian "skoro" is "almost" but "uskoro" is "soon" and I am forever getting those two
mixed up :) I started a course about adverbs on Memrise this week, so maybe that will help me practise! And actually yes, you're right; there probably are some people in Croatia who have heard of him as some Irish music is popular over there. I sometimes listen to a band from Rijeka called Belfast Food, who sing a mixture of Irish-sounding music in Croatian and actual Irish music with Croatian accents :D 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4575 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 261 of 292 05 July 2015 at 11:53am | IP Logged | |||||
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| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4575 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 262 of 292 06 July 2015 at 2:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
Have I really only been writing Croatian for four days in a row? It feels like a lifetime of pain already :D The corrections I'm getting are mostly extremely useful, though sometimes embarrassing that I have made such stupid mistakes.
The most interesting correction was that I had used the word "prosto" rather than "jednostavno" to mean "simply", but apparently you can only use "prosto" in this sense in Serbian.
Writing aside, I watched two more episodes of 'Budva' at the weekend, and I am now only 1 'film' away from getting another star :) I'm getting towards the end of the third series now (well, there are another 10 episodes to go) so some of the storylines which have been running for 30 episodes are starting to move towards conclusions. We had another murder attempt, plenty of casual gun-waving, a bit of adultery and reminders of some of the social problems in Montenegro following the privatisation of previously state-run industries. The most exciting part of the series came for me when I recognised a random bit of Budva (near the bus station) where two of the characters were standing :) I have been doing a course of "Politics and law" vocabulary on Memrise which is quite useful. This morning I reached the word "tužitelj" (prosecutor) which I already knew because one of the characters in this series of Budva is a tužiteljka :) Also I have mentioned before how often the word "kum" crops up in Budva. I was listening to a Brkovi song today and noticed the following lyrics "Pun mi je već kurac i kumova i sranja". I won't translate it because it's not terribly polite, but thanks to Budva I at least understood the words :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7148 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 263 of 292 06 July 2015 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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On prosto, the Croatian descriptive dictionary is less stringent than the corrector, and marks the term as colloquial.
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| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4575 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 264 of 292 06 July 2015 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thank you Chung, that's interesting to know! I do quite often get corrections accusing
some grammar or expression I've used as being too Serbian, but I think that's the first time I've used a word and been told it had different meanings in Croatian and Serbian. *********** I should spend more time writing in Croatian and less time listening to Croatian music, but I was excited this evening to get a notification on my phone saying that Hladno Pivo had uploaded a new video to Youtube :) It's for one of the songs off their most recent album, 'Firma'. You can watch the video here. Hladno Pivo always have lyrics which are worth trying to understand and this song is no exception. It's about the post-communist privatisation of Croatian industry which maybe doesn't sound like a very catchy theme, but it's quite a moving video because it features workers who lost their livelihoods as a result. The lead singer put it more eloquently in an interview with MTV:
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