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| sebngwa3 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6163 days ago 200 posts - 217 votes  Speaks: Korean*, English | Message 1 of 7 28 October 2009 at 9:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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...'S' would be nasalised, not 'n', right?
as in 先生 and せんしゅ. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6767 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 2 of 7 29 October 2009 at 6:28am | IP Logged | ||
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That's correct.
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| YoshiYoshi Senior Member China Joined 5530 days ago 143 posts - 205 votes Speaks: Mandarin* | Message 3 of 7 29 October 2009 at 7:43am | IP Logged | ||
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It depends on the pronunciation after ん。
１．In ば．ぱ．ま lines, ん is pronounced as「m」, for example, さんぽ（散歩）．しんぶん（新聞）。 ２．In た．だ．ら．な lines, ん...「n」, ..., もんだい（問題）．しんねん（新年）。 ３．In the other syllables & at the end of vocabularies, ん...「ng」, ヘンか（変化）．ばん（晩）。 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| chaneel Diglot Newbie Norway Joined 5597 days ago 5 posts - 5 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 4 of 7 29 October 2009 at 9:20am | IP Logged | ||
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Sounds like fairly clear 'n' sounds to me.
http://smart.fm/items/772376-sensei http://smart.fm/items/855570-senshu The clearly nasalized sounds tend to appear before vowels. http://smart.fm/items/436308-gen-in 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6767 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 5 of 7 29 October 2009 at 1:06pm | IP Logged | ||
Those sound pretty nasal to me. A generally good strategy is to treat ん as a nasal as often as possible, and let the shifts to n, ng, and m come naturally due to the following consonant. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5380 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 6 of 7 02 March 2010 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Depending on the speaker, the speed and the context, you will get anything from n to a nasal e.
Do notice, however, that that ん in standard dialect is where the pitch goes up from the previous low pitch. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if phonetic analysis of the first syllable of sensei showed se (barely nasalized if at all) followed by a nasal e. In a word like shinbun, you can even find shimbum with a nasal u. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Monox D. I-Fly Senior Member Indonesia monoxdifly.iopc.us Joined 5134 days ago 762 posts - 664 votes Speaks: Indonesian* | Message 7 of 7 12 February 2018 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | ||
Wow... Japanese rule for "n" is quite similar to Arabic... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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