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| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6160 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes  Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 17 of 97 13 December 2011 at 11:24am | IP Logged | ||
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I think Freutsch is great as well.
I haven't decided myself what resources I'm using for next years challenge. Though choosing in advance is always a fun part. I find if you make realistic resource goals you actually tend to reach them. --------- I have one thought which perhaps you were bringing up in your post above which has got me real excited; that is to say have a few shared resources which we can study by ourselves and get back to the team with the results....I'm thinking we could choose a film which is easily attainable and give everyone a month to watch it in the team. A kind of recommended reading. There is of course Listening-Reading and the obvious choice in German or French is The Little Prince ' Le petit prince'. Though we can always discuss and choose the prescribed text and we can always put a link if it's no longer copyrighted. I think things like above will bring us closer together and can be tackled from beginner to advanced people. I think giving long enough time frames for these projects is important because how people tackle things during the course of a year can vary a lot. Perhaps setting up a monthly goal at the start of each month, even if it's a just one film or listening-reading a short story will be great motivation. What d'yall think? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bjorn Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 4860 days ago 244 posts - 286 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: German, French | Message 18 of 97 13 December 2011 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sorry, no homework for me.
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| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5758 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 19 of 97 13 December 2011 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi Adrean,
I think this is a really fantastic idea, for those of us who want to go along with it. I think reading or listening to a story separately and then reporting back here with our findings and comments will keep us together; I have read that keeping teams together during the course of the TAC seems to become ever more difficult as the year continues. As a further suggestion to Adrean's great idea above, I imagine that even with a simple story like Le Petit Prince, if we wanted, we could use stories or films as a springboard for doing other things. I know we often do literary analysis to death in school and at university so perhaps that's not the best route to go down as it's a bit dry and potentially mind-numbing, but perhaps we could write our own short continuation of the story we read, or maybe even write a short piece about why we liked the film or book, our favourite scene, our favourite character or something along those lines. Then if we wanted, we could send any creative writing to each other to read - whether to suggest improvements, ask questions about structures we're not familiar with, or just for reading practice. I'm sure there are lots of different ways we could go with Adrean's idea; I'll have a think. How many others are interested? One thing I think I might try out in my writing is character development - there are a few characters in books and films I can think of that I really like, and yet the author gives us only just enough information about them for the story to continue. They're usually supporting characters who aren't very important to the story's development, but those are usually the characters I take a shine to. Thank you for the idea, Adrean. Jack 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ReQuest Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5024 days ago 200 posts - 228 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, French Studies: Spanish | Message 20 of 97 13 December 2011 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think thats a great idea, we do need to choose movies etc. that are widely available though, and give eachother (each other?) enough time to watch/read/write.
About resources, I like assimil a lot, I'll be using "using French", but for German I have no assimil, I don't think i'll learn much... Because of the similarities with Dutch. Maybe a French/German assimil book would be good? Like le perfectionement d'allemand...? I also have my schoolbooks for all my languages, expecialy the French book is usefull, it explains grammar well. I also have my teachers as a resource. And my best learning tool is Anki. Although it's a pain to keep all those reviews up:). Then I also like to watch the 5monde and ZDF news, and documentories, mainly in German though.. I really liked Die Deutschen on ZDF. And could anyone say if FSI is usefull? (its free! (typical Dutch spirit)) We could also try to communicate in German an French mainly, In my log I really want to try and write stuff in German and French to. My main problem is that I can understand a lot of the languages but writing and speaking them... Not so much I make a lot of stupid errors :). I really nead to work on my active skills.. (correct my English were needed please:0) Edited by ReQuest on 13 December 2011 at 7:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5758 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 21 of 97 13 December 2011 at 10:30pm | IP Logged | ||
Hi ReQuest, Your written English is very good - the only thing I'd say you need to watch out for is your spelling. You might also want to look into the use of the apostrophe - it can be a bit of a pain sometimes. If you want me to explain the different uses of it, just ask and I'll give you some examples :] Regarding speaking French and German to each other as much as possible, I support this idea wholeheartedly. Much of my log for 2011 was written in French and German, particularly in the earlier stages but also later on. I sometimes wrote in English, but there was usually a good reason for it. Sometimes I was ill, occasionally I felt demotivated and occasionally I felt like I'd get more replies if I wrote in English. I would be very happy to write exclusively in French and/or German in your log. Tell me which you'd prefer me to use and I'll do so. Unfortunately I'm not the best person to ask about FSI or Assimil - I had to look up what FSI even stood for and I have never used Assimil. I'll look into both and I'll give you my opinions on them at a later date. Tomorrow I'll spend some time looking into some suitable books and films that we can use for French and German. Some of them may completely miss the mark as I find it a bit difficult to judge levels sometimes. Jack 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6160 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 22 of 97 14 December 2011 at 7:20am | IP Logged | ||
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Hey, I didn't mean to go about doing things in a text analysis type way. I was thinking
how did you find doing so and so a method with the text. Let's say we did the little prince as a team doing L-R we can report back with how did we approach L-R; i.e did we stop after each page, did we read the book in English first, did we listen and read in L2, did we enter unknown words into Anki, was it a worthwhile exercise using the L-R method etc....I think an analysis of the actual text is not really appropriate for this forum. I guess with films we could talk about whether we used subtitles or not, was the film more coherent on second viewing, was it a particularly difficult film to understand, was watching the film worthwhile for your overall language experience and so on and so on. I think texts work better then course methods because I think for methods like Assimil, Michel Thomas and Pimsleur to work you have to stick at them for them to become meaningful. -------- In guess if most of the team are ok with a monthly or even bi-monthly team project/text we can start choosing for January and getting set-up working. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5758 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 23 of 97 14 December 2011 at 7:54am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi Adrean,
I didn't mean to suggest that I'm only interested in using the texts and films for analysis purposes. As I said in my post above, we do enough of that at school and university. I do think the creative writing exercises would be worth while, though. If no-one else is up for that then that's fine :] I'm quite eager that we follow your idea - do you have any films or books, other than Le Petit Prince, in mind? Also, would you mind expanding slightly on how the more advanced learners would benefit from basic texts - for example how would you benefit from something like Le Petit Prince? Jack 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6160 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1 | Message 24 of 97 14 December 2011 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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Actually I've had more then my fair share of 'Le Petit Prince'. I guess the idea is
that we can bring all of our ideas in. I think even in Le Petit Prince there is some interesting vocabulary and advanced learners may develop a good sense of a narrated story and the structures that go with that. I know that others are aware of a book called 'The Green Ray' by Jules Verne on the forum. Even non-fans of Verne love the book and I've been meaning to read it forever. The audiobook is 7 hours long so it is possible to it in a month. So this would be an example of a monthly project.....to L-R 'Le Rayon Vert'. A modest beginner to an advanced learner would get a lot from this. Others may not know but Listening-Reading, as a simple definition, is to listen in L2 while reading in L1. You can of course read and listen in L2 and depending on your level you may want to be familiar with the story first. Green Ray in French audiobook Short Wiki article about Green Ray Text in French to read Book in English to read I've only just begun learning German but I've been watching Wenders, Haneke, Herzog films going back a few years. I think choosing a film won't be a problem as long it's widely available. Edited by Adrean on 14 December 2011 at 12:39pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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