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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 73 of 108 19 July 2012 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes, rakkaus is a noun. the genitive is rakkauden because it's derived from an adjective, rakas 'dear'. the verb rakastaa is derived from the same adjective.
also, in sovitella there's a double t only in the inflected forms, not in the infinitive. that's typical in this verb class (ajatella etc) note that while the English word furniture is used in the singular but has a plural meaning, in Finnish the singular means a piece of furniture. So it's the plural that corresponds to the English word furniture. Good luck with your Finnish!!!!! What are you reading? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5916 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 74 of 108 06 August 2012 at 8:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
I hadn't noticed that about furniture, but it makes sense in a way that that Finnish plural form would correspond better with the English word. I can't remember everything I was trying to read three weeks ago. I do know that I was reading articles from Helsingin Sanomat and translating songs by Maj Karma, Herra Ylppö & Ihmiset, Egotrippi, PMMP and Uniklubi. I still can't figure out how I found words like "säilyttää" and "sovitella". hei sitten Mick Edited by mick33 on 06 August 2012 at 10:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 75 of 108 07 August 2012 at 9:47am | IP Logged | |||||
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These could've been in songs too:)
Let me know if you want some recs:) Edited by Serpent on 07 August 2012 at 9:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kafea Groupie United States Joined 4924 days ago 78 posts - 98 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Smi | Message 76 of 108 07 August 2012 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
I agree! Music is a very fun way to learn! Another thing I enjoy is watching news clips with subtitles in a third language. For instance, watching Sámi news with Swedish subtitles so I can translate the Swedish painstakingly. Then I watch the news clip again, concentrating on the Sámi words. People who have subtitles in their own language are lucky. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5916 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 77 of 108 10 August 2012 at 11:10am | IP Logged | |||||
I haven't been getting emails from this forum so I didn't know that I had two responses here since my last post.
Glad to know that so many people like to use music to learn languages. I haven't actually used subtitles much, and I'd never even thought of using subtitles in a third language, but there could be some Finnish shows online with Swedish subtitles ifI will just look for them. Next a quick update on Finnish. According the 6WCBot I had 11.5 hours of Finnish yesterday afternoon. I have also been reading All Japanese All The Time a lot lately. I know it's been discussed to death here as well as on other forums, and since I seriously doubt I have anything new to write about Khatzumoto's ideas, I'll just say that I like much of what I've read so far and am working on adding various ideas and techniques such as 10,000 sentences and Massive Context Cloze Deletions. Does this mean I will soon be changing my techniques to something like All Finnish All The Time language immersion? Maybe just to attempt to be original I could call it All Finnish Forever. Well, keep reading and you'll find out! Hyvää yötä Mick Edited by mick33 on 25 August 2012 at 9:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5916 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 78 of 108 25 August 2012 at 10:32am | IP Logged | |||||
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All Finnish All The Time? Not just yet, but I am gradually getting close to immersing myself in Finnish. I hadn't considered how much effort it takes to change my thoughts into another language. What I am trying to do is train my mind to learn Finnish words and my hope is that once I have learned a Finnish word for something I will stop using the English word in my thoughts. Will it work? I don't know, but I want to find out.
Of course it would be easier to think in Finnish if I could stop reading discussion threads in other subforums here but that may not happen soon. heippa Mick Edited by mick33 on 25 August 2012 at 10:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5916 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 79 of 108 27 August 2012 at 10:46am | IP Logged | |||||
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Carrying on my theme of training my mind to think Finnish (if it's even possible) I have a new list of Finnish words below. I've been reading the Bible and various other religious texts so that's where some, though not all, of these words come from:
usko - faith, trust (I think it's a noun) uskoa - to have faith in, to believe in (a verb) luottaa - to trust, to count on saada - to receive, to get rangaistus - punishment, penalty oma - own (an adjective) omistaa - to possess, to dedicate, to devote osata - to know how (to do something) suku - gender, kindred, kind (as in mankind I actually saw this as part of ihmissuku an example of agglutination) pelastua - to be rescued, to be saved synti - sin, transgression rikkomus - misdemeanor, offense, violation koko - size, stature (noun); whole, entire, all (adjective) sovitus - fitting, arrangement, atonement (theological sense) ansio - virtue, merit, income noudattaa - to obey, to follow, to observe laki - law toimitus - delivery, dispatch, ceremony, action or performance periaate - principle toimi - deed, positon, office valta - might, authority, power, main (as in "valtakatu" or main street); also state, country parannus - improvement, betterment, reformation reclamation parantua - to cure, to heal nähdään myöhemmin Mick Edited by mick33 on 29 August 2012 at 11:28am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5916 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 80 of 108 29 August 2012 at 11:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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Today I have good news and I have frustrating news. First, the good news: Yesterday I wanted to read something in Swedish; so I did. I was very happy when I could just read Swedish without wanting to reach for my bilingual dictionary to look up words. I haven't really focused any attention on Swedish in a while so this was great thing for me.
Now for the frustrating news. I know I wrote in one of my earlier logs that in Finnish there is no verb that corresponds to the English verb "to have". This is not a problem for me, I expect Finnish to be different and given the Finns don't miss it I shouldn't either. Unfortunately, if I trust Wiktionary's entry for omata in English or the Finnish version here there may be a verb that translates as "to have". The English page does tell me that
Even worse, when I visited google.fi and limited it's searches to suomenkielisiltä sivuilta, "omata" yielded 104 000 000 hits. So this word is in fact in use, at least sometimes. I know that using google to search for words is not always the best way to check if a word is commonly used so I then visited my favorite online Finnish dictionary sanakirja.org and found this "omata" word yet again. This time it was translated as either "to have" or "to possess". I don't understand this at all. Where did this verb "omata" come from? and Why does it even exist? I already know that, at least in some circumstances, the way to express "to have" in Finnish is by using the following construction: A pronoun inflected with the adessiivi case (lla/llä) + a conjugated form of "olla" and then the object. This construction allows me to say or write things such as "Minulla on polkupyörä" (I have a bicycle) or "Heillä on koira" (They have a dog). Maybe I can figure this out in the morning. Right now I will listen to my favorite Juice Leskinen song Viidestoista Yö and go to bed. Näkemiin Mick Edited by mick33 on 29 August 2012 at 11:28am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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