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Марк
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 Message 105 of 248
21 January 2013 at 9:50am | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:

Because in Dutch the uvular fricative is never voiced. From wiki :

The sound spelled <ch> is a voiceless velar fricative [x] in Northern Dutch and is
claimed to be a voiceless palatal fricative [ç] in Southern Dutch, including all of
Dutch-speaking Belgium.[11] (However, in many or perhaps most of these regions, the
actual sound used gives the impression of being front-velar, not palatal.) In the North
/ɣ/ is usually realized as [x] or [χ] and thus has merged with /x/ (which may be
realized as either [χ] or [x]), whereas in the South the distinction between /ʝ/ and /
ç/ has been preserved (neither of which may actually be palatal sounds; see above).
This doesn't apply to many dialects of West Flanders, East Flanders and Zeeland, which
realize both /ʝ/ and /ç/ as [x].

But it's not connected to its uvularness. In other languages the two uvular sounds may
contrast (like in Armenian, for example). If a voiced uvular fricative existed in Dutch
, it could be easily confused with R.

Edited by Марк on 21 January 2013 at 9:56am
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tarvos
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 Message 106 of 248
21 January 2013 at 9:54am | IP Logged 
That's great, but they are not in Greek. My point is that you can draw the analogy
between Dutch and Greek here because the sounds are nominally the same - if you grew up
speaking standard Dutch. The uvulars can contrast, but they don't in Dutch.

Back to Cristina's log.

Edited by tarvos on 21 January 2013 at 9:54am
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 Message 107 of 248
21 January 2013 at 10:09am | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
She looks very much like me, and has a very fair skin, even
after a few days in the sun, so I do not think
that was it. No I am not sure I got it right, but she first said my daughter was very
beautiful, and then she
made a swiping movement over her face and said something which involved chocolate, and
smiled. ( And
my daughter did not have chocolate in the face so that was not it. I take it that "sweet
as chocolate" is not a
regular expression in Russian?

Chocolate is not sweet, it's bitter.


Then I understand why my Ukrainian friends always wanted me to bring Norwegian chocolate. Ours is very
sweet :-)


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fabriciocarraro
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 Message 108 of 248
21 January 2013 at 1:49pm | IP Logged 
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
Марк wrote:

Chocolate is not sweet, it's bitter.


Then I understand why my Ukrainian friends always wanted me to bring Norwegian chocolate. Ours is very
sweet :-)


Ours is very sweet as well, and I'm sure I tasted a sweet Russian one too! I don't remember the name, but the cover was blue and it had bears on it.

EDIT: It was this one! Very good, btw. =)

Edited by fabriciocarraro on 21 January 2013 at 1:50pm
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Марк
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 Message 109 of 248
21 January 2013 at 1:58pm | IP Logged 
renaissancemedi wrote:
The kiss in the forehead of a child is so sweet! Mind you, by
sweet ladies not creepy men... People kiss a lot here as well, you know.

What about sweet men?
You see, Solfrid Cristin, rules are sometimes stricter for men...
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renaissancemedi
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 Message 110 of 248
21 January 2013 at 2:51pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
renaissancemedi wrote:
The kiss in the forehead of a child is so sweet! Mind you, by
sweet ladies not creepy men... People kiss a lot here as well, you know.

What about sweet men?
You see, Solfrid Cristin, rules are sometimes stricter for men...


When it comes to children, better safe than sorry. I'm sure all the sweet men will understand and agree :)
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Марк
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 Message 111 of 248
21 January 2013 at 6:33pm | IP Logged 
Your post seems sexist to me. When I was a child, it didn't matter whether I was kissed
by a man or a woman.
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 Message 112 of 248
21 January 2013 at 7:13pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
Your post seems sexist to me. When I was a child, it didn't matter whether I was kissed
by a man or a woman.


I apologize.

Edited by renaissancemedi on 21 January 2013 at 7:14pm


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