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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4653 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes  Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 401 of 521 14 October 2012 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | ||
Ao sul is less direct than no Sul, with no movement-verbs: Florianópolis fica no Paraná? Não, fica mais ao Sul. You use no Sul when you know the location: Florianópolis fica no Sul, no estado de Santa Catarina. In spoken Brazilian Portuguese of many regions, the preposition A is being substituted with 1) PARA (pra in speech), for indirect object and movement ''Eu mandei uma carta pra ela''; ''Vou pra Miami'' 2) EM for close location (English BY/AT) and movement. some expressions ''Beber no volante'' ; ''Estou no seu aguardo''; ''Vou lá em casa'', ''Chegaram em casa'' [in formal written language you would have to use A: Mandei uma carta a ela, Vou a Miami, Beber ao volante, Estou a seu aguardo, Vou lá a casa, Chegaram a casa, although some of these sound strange, unidiomatic, especially the last three). --- Spanish A vs Portuguese: tenerLE miedo A vs ter medo de comprarLE algo A alguien vs comprar alguma coisa DE alguém (BR) / comprar alguma coisa A alguém (PT) entrar A vs entrar EM There are many differences. The spoken Brazilian Portuguese of many regions does not like the preposition A very much, PARA, EM or DE are used instead more often than not. For details, you need a good Dicionário de regência verbal, since with every verb it's different, for example with DEVER both A and PARA are used in informal speech: ''Não devemos nada pra ninguém'' (SPC), but at least in Bahia DEVER NADA A NINGUÉM is more frequent. With FALAR it's always PARA: Eu já havia/tinha falado isso pra ela. With DIZER both can be heard (but PARA is much more common where I lived, in Bahia, and A is preferred mostly by old people, not being important whether they are educated or uneducated, even poor and uneducated old people prefer DIZER A). Edited by Medulin on 14 October 2012 at 1:53pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Siberiano Tetraglot Senior Member Russian Federation one-giant-leap.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6478 days ago 465 posts - 696 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, ItalianC1, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Serbian | Message 402 of 521 14 October 2012 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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Abrigado, voçê é muhito generoso!
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| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5867 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 403 of 521 14 October 2012 at 5:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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The spoken language has some dynamics and trends come from all sources. I believe that nowadays music is one of the main carriers of usage change.
For instance, in the very famous song "Chega de Saudade" by Tom Jobim and Vinicius de Moraes, interpreted by Joao Gilberto in this Youtube video, the lyrics starts with "vai minha tristeza e diz a ela". It is impossible to say how many people use "diz a ela/e" thanks to this music, but they exist. There are some new musics (I won't cite any, for they are mostly bad, in my opinion) that use "diga a ela/e" as well. I agree with Medulin, also believe, and Google search experiment tends to confirm, that "dever/devo/deve nada a ninguém" is more common than "dever/devo/deve nada para ninguém". A not so famous, but very good song, "Amor Barato" by Chico Buarque and Francis Hime, interpreted in this video by Zeca Pagodinho, uses "deve nada a ninguém", for instance. Edit: Link of "Amor Barato" was wrong. Edited by Flarioca on 14 October 2012 at 7:31pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Siberiano Tetraglot Senior Member Russian Federation one-giant-leap.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6478 days ago 465 posts - 696 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, ItalianC1, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Serbian | Message 404 of 521 15 October 2012 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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Alguêm me pode aconselhar um club de idiomas no RJ, na Curitiba ou no SP? Edited by Siberiano on 15 October 2012 at 8:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chris Ford Groupie United States Joined 4728 days ago 65 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese | Message 405 of 521 18 October 2012 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | ||
Muito obrigado Clau, a sua reposta foi muito prestativa. Para explicar minha confusão, as vezes eu não posso reconhecer as diferenças entre o português formal e casual, e por isso estou sempre perguntando sobre coisas que são óbvias para falantes nativos. Obrigado novamente para sua ajuda e seu comentário abrangente! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| languagenerd09 Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom youtube.com/user/Lan Joined 5085 days ago 174 posts - 267 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Mandarin, Japanese, Thai | Message 406 of 521 18 October 2012 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Olá a todos! tenho uma pregunta ... mais uma opinião...
é muito importante ter conhecimento sobre a tua língua-alvo? ... por exemplo - aprendei como "os brigadeiros" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4700 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 407 of 521 19 October 2012 at 2:30am | IP Logged | ||
Não entendi muito bem sua pergunta... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| languagenerd09 Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom youtube.com/user/Lan Joined 5085 days ago 174 posts - 267 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Mandarin, Japanese, Thai | Message 408 of 521 19 October 2012 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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hmm ... é importante descobrir a cultura ao lado do idioma?
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