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| EnglishEagle Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4560 days ago 140 posts - 157 votes  Studies: English*, German | Message 1 of 27 17 December 2013 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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J'en ai marre de devoir en Francais et je dois apprendre 2500 mots en Francais pour ma examen en 5 mois et je
trouve difficile apprendre 2500 paroles. (Should) j'essaie apprendre dans mémorisation par cœur? English: I'm sick of having to do French homework and I have to learn 2500 words in French within the next 5 months and I find it difficult to learn 2,500 words. (Should) I try to learn by rote memorisation in this short amount of time, is it possible? Pardon, man Francais est affreuse! Edited by EnglishEagle on 19 December 2013 at 11:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4994 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 2 of 27 17 December 2013 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sure, why not. I learned a similar amount of words by drilling in anki in a weekend (I was very motivated and it was terminology, so a lot of those words were similar to Latin). However, it is a painful way. If you have the five months, than 5-10 minutes of anki every day should work miraculously for you.
But you have probably got another problem. And that is the motivation. I think you will have much easier time learning the vocabulary, no matter how, if you find some uses for it. Such as books or movies or a journey to France during next summer or anything! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| EnglishEagle Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4560 days ago 140 posts - 157 votes Studies: English*, German | Message 3 of 27 17 December 2013 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | ||
Thankyou, it's recommended vocabulary for my exam in a few months and I'm very motivated to do well in it. Although it is vocabulary to do somewhat random topics and features words like 'blouson' or 'congélateur' or 'rhume des foins' so using the words in the an appropriate situation would be quite hard. Thanks for the reply! Side note: ooops, just realised I was using 'moi' incorrectly... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5517 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 4 of 27 18 December 2013 at 1:13am | IP Logged | ||
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2,500 mots en six mois ? Ce n'est pas impossible, mais il faudra travailler un peu.
Vous avez trois choix: 1. Les « word lists » d'Iversen. 2. La méthode de Goldlist. 3. Anki. Moi, je préfère Anki. J'utilise Anki sur mon ordinateur et AnkiDroid sur mon téléphone. Je peux apprendre entre 10 et 15 mots par jour sans problème. Mais je préfère avoir du contexte pour les mots. Sans ça, je trouve que je suis confus par les mots qui sont trop similaires. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Andrew C Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom naturalarabic.com Joined 5175 days ago 205 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written) | Message 5 of 27 18 December 2013 at 2:18am | IP Logged | ||
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If your goal is to be good at seemingly arbitrary word lists, go ahead and learn the words in isolation.
But if you actually want to learn French, I would say forget about the word list given by your teacher and concentrate on listening and reading with a translation, e.g with Gloss, lingq or yabla. It will be better for you in the long term. Edited by Andrew C on 18 December 2013 at 2:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| EnglishEagle Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4560 days ago 140 posts - 157 votes Studies: English*, German | Message 6 of 27 18 December 2013 at 9:17am | IP Logged | ||
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Thankyou everyone. See the thing is, I need to be able to recognise the words for my exam. We've been
given a list of vocabulary that our exams are based on (if that make sense). We get given several passages of text in French and have to have to answer questions in English based on the text we have just read. So I really need to learn the vocabulary because I know that a lot of the words in the passages we get given are featured in the word list, if that makes sense? Edited by EnglishEagle on 18 December 2013 at 7:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Andrew C Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom naturalarabic.com Joined 5175 days ago 205 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written) | Message 7 of 27 18 December 2013 at 10:42am | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, it makes sense. However, as you are being tested on a text, and not a list of words, it makes it all the
more important to learn from texts, because this requires different skills to learning words. If you know the general topics likely to come up, you could look for texts/audio on these subjects online. If you are worried about the word list, you could read/ listen to a text and then gradually tick off the words from the list. Unless your words are really obscure -in which case why learn them? - there should be considerable overlap. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6688 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 27 18 December 2013 at 10:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Je vois que emk vient de mentionner deux types de listes de mots plus les cartes Anki, et que Andrew C a rejeté ces techniques d'une façon assez sommaire (ou même hautaine) avec la phrase "If your goal is to be good at seemingly arbitrary word lists, go ahead and learn the words in isolation.". Mais ceci reste sur une conception fausse, à savoir celle que les listes de mots et collections de mots d'Anki consistent nécessairement de mots choisi par hasard, peut-être même par un professeur ou livre quelconque.
Si je fais des listes de mots ces mots viennent dans la majorité écrasante des cas des textes que je lis pour le moment, et je travaille avec les listes pour figer les mots dans ma mémoire ici maintenant à lieu de me fier à des rencontres fortuites dans un futur incertain. Bien sûr je fais aussi des listes basées directement sur un dictionaire, mais j'ai expressément dit que ceci est une activité à laquelle on peut se dédier quand on a déjà acquiert un vocabulaire considérable, et dans ce cas l'ordre alphabétique et les références à d'autres mots déjà connus jouent le rôle de contexte. Si EnglishEagle doit apprendre un grand nombre de mots dans un éspace de temps assez restreint mon conseil serait donc de lire lire lire (et écouter écouter écouter) tant que possible, mais aussi de se soucier de ne pas perdre les mots nouveaux qui apparaissent au cours de ces activités - et en pratique cela veut dire: utiliser une ou plusieurs des techniques de mémorisation. Comme M. Érard l'a découvert, même le brillant Cardinal Mezzofanti utilisait sécretement la technique des cartes 'flash'! PS: je vois maintenant que EnglishEagle a en effet reçu une liste spécifique avec des mots à apprendre de son prof, et cela change effectivement le jeu. Sans connaitre les textes il ne reste guère d'autre chose à faire que de utiliser une technique formelle de mémorisation. Mais il convient de mettre en garde contre la simple mémorisation brute (horse cheval, horse cheval... ou cheval cheval cheval...). C'est la méthode moins efficace qui soit. Edited by Iversen on 19 December 2013 at 9:54am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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