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| lorinth Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 4259 days ago 443 posts - 581 votes  Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Latin Studies: Mandarin, Finnish | Message 9 of 27 18 December 2013 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
Si c'est du vocabulaire de base, il y a peut-être une quatrième solution: apprendre les mots avec des cartes sans espacement automatique, ou à partir de listes simples, mais en complétant immédiatement l'apprentissage par de la lecture cursive/extensive d'un niveau adéquat et en grande quantité. Ou des podcasts. Ou des émissions de télé. S'il s'agit d'un vocabulaire simple, les mots à apprendre vont apparaître et réapparaître sans cesse, ce qui équivaut à du SRS, mais en plus amusant - puisque, apparemment, la motivation fait un peu défaut :-) [If you have to learn basic French vocab, you may also learn words from simple flashcards (no SRS) and start reading/watching/listening to a lot of simple French. The same basic words will pop up everywhere, which is a form of SRS that you may find more enjoyable] 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| maurelio1234 Triglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6065 days ago 61 posts - 92 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2, French Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 10 of 27 18 December 2013 at 2:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Je te donne en conseil ce qui a marché pour moi avec le chinois:
Pour les premiers 1000 mots, fais du "rote memorization", avec Anki etc. Pour le reste, lis tout ce que tu peux avant ton examen, lis, lis, lis, toutes les jours, plusieurs heures par jour. Après les 1000 mots tu tombes sur des trucs très spécifiques, où ce n'est pas la peine de les apprendre hors contexte. Après il faut beaucoup de lecture pour voir dans le contexte quand on utilise "parole" ou "mot" pour vouloir dire "word", par exemple ;). Bon courage! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| maurelio1234 Triglot Groupie BrazilRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6065 days ago 61 posts - 92 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2, French Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 11 of 27 18 December 2013 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
C'est pas amusant de regarder deux sur trois mots dans un dictionnaire. Mais en effet à partir d'un certain niveau, les SRS sont inutiles. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4673 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 12 of 27 18 December 2013 at 7:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
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EnglishEagle, if you're still here, are you following all this? I see that even though
the OP's profile indicates that the OP "speaks French," the overall level is described as "Beginner." As another practical matter, as maurelio1234 points out, the total amount of French already mastered may be decisive in determining the appropriate strategy for progressing from here. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| EnglishEagle Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4560 days ago 140 posts - 157 votes Studies: English*, German | Message 13 of 27 18 December 2013 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
Luckily I can understand and figure out meanings of some words/sentences, but I've resorted to Google Translate to try and understand (as the French used in this thread was far too complex). Also, it's not really simple vocabulary, some of it is quite a pain to remember such as 'assiette anglaise' is on the word list and probably wouldn't come up in a book/magazine I would read. I don't really know where to put my French level, as I've never actually had to use my French in conversation with someone. I would say my passive is obviously much greater than my active vocabulary, my active would probably be around a high A1 level. There are 5 main topic areas that we look at during the school year and we have to learn the vocabulary in that topic as well as a bunch of infinitives like 'to hoover' and be able to understand when they are used in different forms (if that makes sense). I hoover, she used to hoover, she doesn't like to hoover etc etc So what I have established for Iversens post is to try and find the words (in the word list given to me) in context? So for example if my word is 'os' then read something with the word 'os' used in context? Sorry, its quite hard to understand as the French used is quite complex for my level of understanding (so I had to use trusty old Google Translate). Edit: I'm not actually looking to acquire general vocabulary but vocabulary that has been given to us. Unfortunately without knowing a vast amount of these words I won't fully understand the exam at the end of year and get a poor mark. My teacher informed me that about 90% of the sentences in the exam will feature unfamiliar words that we wouldn't normally know unless we have looked at them on the word list. Sorry if this doesn't really make sense, I'm currently trying to finish my homework for maths so I'm typing very quickly without re reading what I write. Edited by EnglishEagle on 18 December 2013 at 7:54pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4673 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 14 of 27 18 December 2013 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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On behalf of us all, sorry about the confusion! (I think the natural reaction was to
reply in the language of the original post--and hilarity ensues.) We'll make sure you get some advice you can understand. I wouldn't be surprised if some people come back in a little while and post again now that that's cleared up. Either way, if you have any specific questions or posts that are giving you particular trouble or seem like they may be most useful for you, feel free to PM me and I'd be happy to explain/translate whenever I get a moment. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| EnglishEagle Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4560 days ago 140 posts - 157 votes Studies: English*, German | Message 15 of 27 18 December 2013 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
Don't worry hehe I expected that if someone replied it would naturally be in French. Thank you so much GeoffW for your offer and to everyone else who replied too. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6688 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 16 of 27 19 December 2013 at 10:47am | IP Logged | |||||
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I may have caused some of the confusion and wasted some of EnglishEagle's scarce time by writing in French - sorry about that. But the essence of it was that wordlists can be based on material you have met while reading or listening (though not in your situation, where a teacher has thrown a readymade list on your table), and that both wordlists and Anki etc. can be done in different ways, but the worst by a wide margin is rote memorization of the type where you just repeat words with or without translations until you fall asleep.
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