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robarb Nonaglot Senior Member United States languagenpluson Joined 5061 days ago 361 posts - 921 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, French Studies: Mandarin, Danish, Russian, Norwegian, Cantonese, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Greek, Latin, Nepali, Modern Hebrew
| Message 9 of 11 12 January 2015 at 9:16pm | IP Logged |
Sometimes stilted language feels more appropriate when the characters aren't supposed to be speakers of the
language the book's written in. Like in Dune, the characters (who live in outer space in the future) say things
like "Let us..." and "May we not..." and "Whence," and it has the desired effect of making them not sound like 20th-
century Americans.
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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4891 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish
| Message 10 of 11 13 January 2015 at 4:03am | IP Logged |
chiara-sai wrote:
But ‘ahimè’ is also quite outdated in Italian. Also if I’m not
mistaken the book is about a rich family living in the first half of the 20th century,
so I would expect the posh and archaic language to be appropriate. |
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True, my Italian isn't anywhere near good enough to pick up register, or details like
this. Though the novel is pretty good about indicating when the Finzi-Contini are using
posh words ... Micòl, the daughter, likes to drop in Venetian phrases, or Austrian words
she picked up on ski trips to the Alps (she refers to the cottage in the garden as the
Hütte, and likes to have a drink of Skiwasser before going to bed).
Though in this case the speaker is a middle class student in the Jewish ghetto, not one
of the elite!
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| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5322 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English
| Message 11 of 11 13 January 2015 at 11:30am | IP Logged |
robarb wrote:
Sometimes stilted language feels more appropriate when the characters aren't supposed to be speakers of the
language the book's written in. Like in Dune, the characters (who live in outer space in the future) say things
like "Let us..." and "May we not..." and "Whence," and it has the desired effect of making them not sound like 20th-
century Americans. |
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However, sometimes English translators overdo this. A good example is Richard Burton's translation of the Arabian Nights; Burton unnecessarily used archaic English even though the book is a collection of folk tales written in plain Arabic. Here's an excerpt from the well-known story of the fisherman and the genie in the bottle:
Original wrote:
اعف عن قتلي يعف الله عنك، ولا تهلكني، يسلط الله عليك، من يهلكك. فقال لا بد من قتلك، فتمن علي أي موتة تموتها فلما تحقق ذلك منه الصياد راجع العفريت وقال اعف عني إكرامًا لما أعتقتك، فقال العفريت: وأنا ما أقتلك إلا لأجل ما خلصتني، فقال الصياد: يا شيخ العفاريت هل أصنع معك مليح، فتقابلني بالقبيح |
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Richard Burton wrote:
"Spare my life, so Allah spare shine; and slay me not, lest Allah set one to slay thee." Replied the Contumacious One, "There is no help for it; die thou must; so ask me by way of boon what manner of death thou wilt die." Albeit thus certified the Fisherman again addressed the Ifrit saying, "Forgive me this my death as a generous reward for having freed thee;" and the Ifrit, "Surely I would not slay thee save on account of that same release." "O Chief of the Ifrits," said the Fisherman, "I do thee good and thou requitest me with evil! |
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Here's a Google Books link to a modern translation of the same passage by Malcolm C. Lyons. (Click the Page link to see the full passage.)
Edited by Doitsujin on 13 January 2015 at 12:43pm
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