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| JayR9 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4685 days ago 155 posts - 162 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 17 of 25 22 August 2012 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hey thanks for the quote and the links. Both Interesting threads.
I actually read somewhere that you are meant to write characters with your right hand to get the strokes correct. Do you know If that Is true? I am a lefty but after reading that link, I might try writing the characters using my right hand so I concentrate more. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dcbaok Groupie United States Joined 4467 days ago 46 posts - 63 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin | Message 18 of 25 22 August 2012 at 9:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Stroke order and direction are standardized for right handers. I haven't had a major
problem with this as a beginner learning characters. It's a bit more challenging but so is writing Latin alphabet. Not sure how it will work with real handwriting if I ever get to that level. I would be curious to learn how native left handers cope with writing in characters. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| whitelily Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5618 days ago 42 posts - 47 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Arabic (classical), Urdu | Message 19 of 25 22 September 2012 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have tried this method, and I do find it quite beneficial. I combine it with trying to understand the grammatical
aspects of the sentence I´m copying. However, my worry is that this technique seems to be quite time-consuming? Will this technique help one to progress quickly in the target language? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4352 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 20 of 25 15 March 2013 at 11:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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This is one of the techniques I don't really get. I don't find it beneficial. :/ The other techniques presented by Prof. Arguelles are very good - I particularly respect his mastery of time management! - but this one (along with blind shadowing maybe) don't seem very senseful to me. Plus it's very boring. (This is my personal point of view. I don't say this is valid for everyone else.)
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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6894 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 25 15 March 2013 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I've found it especially beneficial for Mandarin because there are so many characters that otherwise wouldn't stick.
Maybe you don't have any difficulties learning your Japanese kanji, what do I know. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4352 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 22 of 25 15 March 2013 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hello Jeff
Of course it is difficult. I learnt kanji in a different way. I used anki (front: German meaning/Japanese readings/3-5 compounds in Japanese and German; back: Japanese characters); but since Professor Arguelles never uses SRS and flash cards, maybe Scriptorium is the only alternative. However, just copying is not as effective as recalling the characters actively. At least for me. Apart of that Arguelles recommends his Scriptorium technique also for languages with latin script... I only tried it once to be honest (one page), but I really didn't enjoy it. I had the feeling it wouldn't produce any effect at all... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6894 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 23 of 25 16 March 2013 at 12:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm using Anki as well (for many reasons), but the words don't stick as easily as when I'm actually writing them by hand. Seeing them is not enough.
I have used the technique (including the reading aloud part) for a few other languages as well (German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch) and found it extremely beneficial. But everybody is different. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4352 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 24 of 25 16 March 2013 at 9:15am | IP Logged | |||||
I fully agree with you. I also have to write them by hand. The question side of my cards consists of latin letters only. And I have to write them in Japanese. Then I check the answer. Example: Front (question): KEI, E, megu(mu) - segnen; Almosen spenden TENKEI - Himmelsgabe ONKEI - Gnade, Wohltat ... (+ 2, 3 other compounds) Back (answer): 恵 天恵 恩恵 ... (The other characters in the compounds must be characters already studied, of course.) I have to write the characters out of my memory. Just copying is better than not writing them at all/only recognizing them, it is true, but it is not the most effective way, imo.
If it is good for you, perfect. But I need the "active recall part". Otherweise it would be too boring and unsatisfying. What I do for other languages is something like a "modified Scriptorium technique" (actually it's a translation exercise with hints): Question: Paris war belagert, ausgehungert und lag in den letzten Zügen. Die Spatzen auf den Dächern wurden selten, die Gossen entvölkerten sich. Man aß alles. P é b, a e r. L m s f b r s l t, e l é s d. O m n'i q. <hints> Answer: Paris était bloqué, affamé et râlant. Les moineaux se faisaient bien rares sur les toits, et les égouts se dépeuplaient. On mangeait n'importe quoi. But this I do with whole texts on paper (half a page or so at a time), usually not with single sentences (but would be possible too, of course). And I usually use bilingual sources to create the texts. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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