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TAC ’14: Sokoły / Соколи (Pol./Ukr. Team) | ||
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| Fuenf_Katzen Diglot Senior Member United States notjustajd.wordpress Joined 4361 days ago 337 posts - 476 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Polish, Ukrainian, Afrikaans | Message 17 of 151 12 December 2013 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
I would be comfortable with that for Polish. For Ukrainian I should be okay with one-liners, although a dictionary might be necessary. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7148 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 18 of 151 12 December 2013 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
A Polish team is up in the air per this post. I guess that it's possible to turn this team into a Polish-Hungarian one, but the divergence between them is high enough such that it'd probably work if people there were committed to learning both languages and/or have enough intellectual interest in them even when studying just one of them at a given moment.
As to why I'm asking about how well people can write in Polish and/or Ukrainian, it came to me after I had thought about how the few challenges in *jäŋe/*ledús fared. This despite the fact that I had mentioned that I'm not keen on leading challenges. It's similar to what I had proposed for the provisional Finnish team. I'm not thinking of starting a team challenge per se, but for my idea to be effective, it would need all members to be familiar with the following at minimum: i) Can recognize the present tense on sight, and can write a sentence with that tense with or without consulting a grammar book or conjugational chart. ii) Knows all of the personal pronouns in nominative and accusative. iii) Can write a sentence using the present tense of "to be" in the affirmative (e.g. Jestem mężczyzną / Я - чоловік - "I am a man") (This means that one would already likely have become familiar with the instrumental as a bonus). iv) Can express possessive concepts in present tense (i.e. Ja mam książkę / Я маю книжку (У мене є книжка) "I have a book" and Moja książka jest nowa / Моя книжка - нова "My book is new") v) Has some familiarity with the direct object (accusative and in a certain way the genitive) and locative. Mastery or being able to express these concepts grammatically on the first try is not necessary. It'll likely suffice to be able to recognize these forms in a sentence and/or construct a sentence using these cases after consulting reference material such as a declensional table. Beginners usually encounter these topics in their studies because they are high frequency. I think that by the second half of the year, beginners on this team will be able to do i) to v) in at least one of these languages. In addition beginners would probably have sufficient vocabulary to string a few coherent sentences with confidence using the grammar that they've already learned. It follows that I wouldn't try out my idea until the second half of the year, if at all. What do you think? It would be great if I can get everyone involved as what I'm thinking of doing could ease the beginners deeper into Polish and/or Ukrainian in a fun way while also build some team spirit. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fuenf_Katzen Diglot Senior Member United States notjustajd.wordpress Joined 4361 days ago 337 posts - 476 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Polish, Ukrainian, Afrikaans | Message 19 of 151 12 December 2013 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm pretty proud of myself that I just recognized the sentences you wrote (okay, they're pretty basic, but still, it's nice to know something is sticking!) I think it sounds like a good idea to try for the second half of the year--and now that I finally discovered the Email notification box, I will see posts as they come! (Yes, it really did take me that long until I found it!)
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 20 of 151 12 December 2013 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think *jäŋe/*ledús covers the Hungarian/Polish combination nicely :)
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7148 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 21 of 151 12 December 2013 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think that you meant jég/lód... ;-) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5341 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 22 of 151 12 December 2013 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think any challenge like this is a great idea, I know it would motivate me for sure. Personally I'd be fine with it starting after a quarter of a year as it would increase my motivation to really work hard at the start. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| minrina Diglot Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3990 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Korean, Polish | Message 23 of 151 14 December 2013 at 11:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm thinking I'd like to join for Polish. Regarding Chung's question, I wouldn't be able to do that very easily at the
moment (I'm a complete beginner). However, I'm up for pushing myself to be as ready as possible whenever any such challenge begins. Motivation! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6589 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 24 of 151 15 December 2013 at 12:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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