mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5218 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese
| Message 289 of 319 18 May 2014 at 1:19pm | IP Logged |
Kerrie wrote:
I couldn't tell you whether Águila Roja is "old" Spanish or not. I have a really hard time with accented Spanish. (My listening comprehension isn't at the same level as my reading ability. hehe) I followed Águila Roja without subs with little problems, though.
I went back to watch season two of Isabel, and couldn't make heads or tales of it without subs though. I don't know if it was the Spanish or not. |
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The Spanish in Águila Roja is as accentless as it gets (i.e. it pretty much matches what you would hear in Valladolid or Salamanca), and I expect the Spanish in Isabel to be a close match--I have seen just a couple of trailers so I may be wrong. However, that's not Old Spanish, but rather a mixed bastard hybrid between modern Spanish used right away and what a bunch of illiterate monkeys think Old Spanish would sound like when they think they should throw in the occasional 'olde worde'. I would say the series is as accurate linguistically as it is historically -- totally unrelated to its being fun or why it is ;)
One quick giveaway of more or less correct Old Spanish is the use of formal ways to address people: "vuestra/vuesa[s] merced[es]" or even "vusted[es]" + verb in the 3rd person, or "vos" used with a 2nd plural conjugation* (tú + formal -> plural (vosotros) -> vos). Did you see either in Isabel?
There are of course others like word-initial "f"s that have disappeared (ex: facer vs. hacer) and frequent yet slightly 'odd' word choices, but I don't think you'll be very interested in these until you're really advanced.
*Instead of the modern Argentinian "vos" ("vos podéis" vs. "vos podés")
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Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4136 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog
| Message 290 of 319 18 May 2014 at 2:01pm | IP Logged |
mrwarper wrote:
One quick giveaway of more or less correct Old Spanish is the use of formal ways to address people:
"vuestra/vuesa[s] merced[es]" or even "vusted[es]" + verb in the 3rd person, or "vos" used with a 2nd plural
conjugation* (tú + formal -> plural (vosotros) -> vos). Did you see either in Isabel?
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I'm certainly not suggesting that Isabel is historically or linguistically accurate! Ha! But yes, there was a lot of use of
"vos" in the show, and also (I believe) using the vosotros conjugation of the imperative when talking to only one
person. I really enjoyed the show. It was engaging and addictive. But I watched it when I still needed subtitles, so I
wasn't really worried about the finer points of the language.
Edited by Stelle on 18 May 2014 at 2:14pm
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Kerrie Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Kerrie2 Joined 5387 days ago 1232 posts - 1740 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 291 of 319 18 May 2014 at 2:05pm | IP Logged |
mrwarper wrote:
Kerrie wrote:
I couldn't tell you whether Águila Roja is "old" Spanish or not. I have a really hard time with accented Spanish. |
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The Spanish in Águila Roja is as accentless as it gets |
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Oh, I didn't mean like that. I am just not as familiar with (listening to) European Spanish as I am to Latin American Spanish. :)
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Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4136 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog
| Message 292 of 319 24 May 2014 at 10:21pm | IP Logged |
Hola lobos!
Does anyone use italki tutors to practice their Spanish? Italki is running a challenge from June 1st the July 31st.
To participate, you have to pledge 20 dollars, but if you complete 25 hours of tutoring in 2 months, you'll get
your 20 dollars back, plus a 40 dollar prize. For me, it's well worth it! Right now, I meet with a tutor once a week
for an hour. I'd like to up that to two hours of Spanish per week, and an hour of Tagalog.
You can get a Spanish tutor for as little as 5 dollars, although I haven't had much luck with the lowest-paid
teachers. (And the teacher in me cringes at that price, to be honest.) My favourite tutors charge between 9 and 13
dollars per hour, which is still *ridiculously* reasonable for a well-qualified teacher. If you're looking for any
recommendations, let me know!
Oh, and if anyone wants to see a few pictures from my trip to Spain, you can see them here:
camino
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dbag Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5014 days ago 605 posts - 1046 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 293 of 319 25 May 2014 at 11:15am | IP Logged |
Stelle, I am very keen on that, as I am going to Sevilla at the end of the month and need to get some speaking practice in! Could you send me some recommendations please? I certainly don't mind paying for quality.
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Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4136 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog
| Message 294 of 319 25 May 2014 at 2:54pm | IP Logged |
My favourite Spanish teachers on italki are:
Auri
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Mati
They're actually the very first two tutors I tried last year when I started learning. While I've had sessions with several
other teachers since then, Auri and Mati are still my favourites. I Skype weekly with Auri, since her schedule is a bit
more flexible. Mati is only available while I'm at work, so I only talk to her on holidays now.
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Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4136 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog
| Message 295 of 319 25 May 2014 at 2:57pm | IP Logged |
Oh, and lobos…today is an exciting day for me. I have officially moved Spanish from "studies" to "speaks" on my
profile!
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tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4657 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian
| Message 296 of 319 25 May 2014 at 6:23pm | IP Logged |
Haha, I have a feeling your standards for "speaks" are much higher than mine. You are way more advanced in Spanish than I am...
I have had about ten iTalki sessions with a few different teachers. My first class with Mauro is on Tuesday morning.
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