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tristano
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Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English
Studies: Dutch

 
 Message 57 of 145
13 April 2014 at 12:29pm | IP Logged 
I gave a try to LyricsTraining, it is a lot of fun :)
Can be my good friend with French, and when I will have a better comprehension, also with German and Dutch!
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tristano
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Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English
Studies: Dutch

 
 Message 58 of 145
28 July 2014 at 4:11pm | IP Logged 
Here I am, after an amazing vacation in Iceland, to put order to my language learning life.

These are the changes:
- Focus on improving my French (by the way, my French exam to pass from B1.1 to B1.2 at the Alliance Française
went well!)
- Focus on reach a good level in English. My street English learned only by watching TV is not enough anymore. I
need formal education to learn how to express myself at my best sounding correct for both my professional career
and my life in general.
- Postponed German, Norwegian and Icelandic. I will study German after Dutch, and a Scandinavian one when I will
have a better level in English.
- Focus on reaching a conversational level in Dutch. I'm still an advanced beginner that doesn't dare to speak Dutch
with the Nederlanders.

So that is my language plan (to be subject to modifications):
- French: books and lesson at the Alliance Française, plus reading books and listening some radio (I have a good
passive comprehension so those activities are not heavy for me. I can read French without strain and I discovered it
relaxes me).

- Dutch: Duolingo + Babbel + memrise (10 words a day). I have a much better passive comprehension than few
months ago but absolutely not at the levels of English and French. I need to build the core and to start activating the
writing skills.

- English: I don't have any idea. I'm going to start a thread asking you advices and I will update this post afterwards.

I'm going to study Dutch daily and alternate English and French (I use them everyday in any case at work).
I'm considering bootstrapping a new language at a very slow and pacific rhythm of 5 words a day and reserve 5
words a day for Icelandic too. But only as experiment. As soon I see that I'm overdoing again I will cut them.


Edited by tristano on 28 July 2014 at 4:50pm

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1e4e6
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Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian
Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan

 
 Message 59 of 145
28 July 2014 at 11:03pm | IP Logged 
tristano wrote:
Here I am, after an amazing vacation in Iceland, to put order to my
language learning life.

These are the changes:
- Focus on improving my French (by the way, my French exam to pass from B1.1 to B1.2 at
the Alliance Française
went well!)
- Focus on reach a good level in English. My street English learned only by watching TV
is not enough anymore. I
need formal education to learn how to express myself at my best sounding correct for
both my professional career
and my life in general.
- Postponed German, Norwegian and Icelandic. I will study German after Dutch, and a
Scandinavian one when I will
have a better level in English.
- Focus on reaching a conversational level in Dutch. I'm still an advanced beginner
that doesn't dare to speak Dutch
with the Nederlanders.

So that is my language plan (to be subject to modifications):
- French: books and lesson at the Alliance Française, plus reading books and listening
some radio (I have a good
passive comprehension so those activities are not heavy for me. I can read French
without strain and I discovered it
relaxes me).

- Dutch: Duolingo + Babbel + memrise (10 words a day). I have a much better passive
comprehension than few
months ago but absolutely not at the levels of English and French. I need to build the
core and to start activating the
writing skills.

- English: I don't have any idea. I'm going to start a thread asking you advices and I
will update this post afterwards.

I'm going to study Dutch daily and alternate English and French (I use them everyday in
any case at work).
I'm considering bootstrapping a new language at a very slow and pacific rhythm of 5
words a day and reserve 5
words a day for Icelandic too. But only as experiment. As soon I see that I'm overdoing
again I will cut them.


Permitteme de facergli a questo testo delle correzione, benche non mi l'abbia
demandato:

tristano wrote:
Here I am, after an amazing vacation in Iceland, to organise
my language learning life.

These are the changes:
-To focus on improving my French (by the way, my B1.1-B1.2 level French
exam
at the Alliance Française
went well!)
-To focus on reaching a good level in English. My street(?)
colloquial
 English acquired solely by watching television is no longer
enough
.
I need formal education to learn how to express myself to sound my best in both
my professional career
and my life in general.
-To postpone German, Norwegian and Icelandic. I will study German after Dutch,
and a Scandinavian one when I will
have a better level in English.
-To focus on reaching [senza articolo indeterminativo] conversational
level in
Dutch. I'm still an advanced beginner who doesn't dare to speak Dutch
with the Dutch/people from the Netherlands.

So this is my language plan (subject to modifications):
- French: books and lessons at the Alliance Française, plus reading books and
listening to some radio (I have [senza articolo indefinito] good
passive comprehension so those activities are not arduous for me. I can read
French easily and I discovered it that it helps me to relax(?)

- Dutch: Duolingo + Babbel + memrise (10 words a day). I have [senza articolo
indeterminativo]
much better passive comprehension than a few
months ago, but absolutely not at the levels of English and French. I need to
build the core and to start activating [senza articolo indeterminativo]
writing skills.

- English: I have no idea. I'm going to start a thread asking you for advice,
and I will update this post afterwards.

I'm going to study Dutch daily and alternate between English and French (I use
them everyday anyway at work).
I'm considering bootstrapping(??) a new language at a very slow and steady
rhythm
of 5 words a day and reserve 5
words a day for Icelandic too, but only as an experiment. As soon I see
that I'm
overdoing it again, I will stop studying them.


Dovrei chiamare delle cose alla attenzione:

I) Alla frase, "Is good/important/bad/etc." le manca un pronome in inglese: "It
is good/important/bad/etc." Le frasi in inglese non possono iniziarsi con degli verbi.
Lo stesso vale alle lingue Germaniche.

II) L'inglese non ha degli articoli partitivi, migliore dito, "I have a good experience
in this field", "I have a cheese", cosa che è corretto sarebbe, "I have good experience
in this field" e, "I have cheese", per esempio.

III) Gli pronomi astratti non lo potrebbero portare nella forma plurale, i.e. "I shall
ask you for advices" non è corretto; si dovrebbe dicere, "I shall ask you for
advice".

Alcune consiglie, come angloparlante nativo: credo che deva leggere un libro de
grammatica d'inglese o bene ne un paio, con particolare attenzione alle preposizione,
alli verbi e gli loro coniugazioni. Il problema è che abbia degli errori quasi ogni
frase, però con della practica credo che scriva migliore. Se ti renti conto, io stesso
cometa probabilmente degli falli quando scrivo nel Italiano. Però dello stesso modo
degli libri che ti insegne degli concetti grammaticali in scrittura ti aiuta a
migliorarte la sintassi. Spero che questo ti sirva d'aiuta.

Edited by 1e4e6 on 30 July 2014 at 12:19am

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tristano
Tetraglot
Senior Member
Netherlands
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Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English
Studies: Dutch

 
 Message 60 of 145
31 July 2014 at 1:37am | IP Logged 
Ciao, grazie mille per le tue correzioni.
Ero al corrente dei miei problemi grammaticali, mi sto infatti informando per creare un piano di studio per
raggiungere risultati d'eccellenza... o almeno, migliori. Ma intanto il tuo feedback e' molto prezioso per me.
Buona fortuna con il tuo Italiano. Il tuo testo non e' perfetto ma cio' che hai scritto e' completamente chiaro, quindi
continua cosi' ;)

(Non badare ai miei accenti usati al posto degli apostrofi: sto scrivendo con una tastiera americana e sono
estremamente pigro ad utilizzare gli accenti siccome non scrivo quasi mai in Italiano.)

--- let's try to train my Dutch...
Dank je wel, ik wist om mijn grammaticale problemen, ik zoek informaties voor creëren een leerplan zo kan ik
excellent resultaten te krijgen. Ondertussen, jouw feedback is zeer belangrijk voor mij.
Veel succes met jouw Italiaans. Jouw tekst is niet perfect maar wat schreef je is helemaal duidelijk, zo jij bent "om
het goed straat".

J'espère de pas avoir fait beaucoup d'erreurs dans ma traduction en Néerlandais. Mais, vraiment, ce n'est pas un
problème très grave. Pour ça, ce suffit étudier.

Edited by tristano on 31 July 2014 at 1:51am

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tristano
Tetraglot
Senior Member
Netherlands
Joined 4039 days ago

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Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English
Studies: Dutch

 
 Message 61 of 145
03 August 2014 at 12:50pm | IP Logged 
Finally I'm studying subordinate clauses in Dutch, so I can avoid writing only
- hij houdt van appels
- ik weet het niet

but I can also write
- ik weet niet of hij van appels houdt
(or, if this is wrong, the correct version of it ;) )

Edited by tristano on 03 August 2014 at 12:54pm

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tarvos
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Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish

 
 Message 62 of 145
03 August 2014 at 1:00pm | IP Logged 
That version is correct.
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tristano
Tetraglot
Senior Member
Netherlands
Joined 4039 days ago

905 posts - 1262 votes 
Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English
Studies: Dutch

 
 Message 63 of 145
06 August 2014 at 10:22pm | IP Logged 
Dank je wel Tarvos.
Strangely I'm studying grammar and I don't feel like my grammar is really improving (but from the results of my
exercises, it is), but my oral comprehension is improving and this is unexpected to me.

Edited by tristano on 06 August 2014 at 10:22pm

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tristano
Tetraglot
Senior Member
Netherlands
Joined 4039 days ago

905 posts - 1262 votes 
Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English
Studies: Dutch

 
 Message 64 of 145
07 August 2014 at 6:34pm | IP Logged 
That's crazy:
   studying the Dutch grammar with Duolingo I noticed that the major part of errors are done not building Dutch
sentences, but translate into English... and only because I make a lot more grammatical mistakes in English!


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