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| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5948 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes  Studies: French | Message 1 of 24 20 November 2014 at 3:11am | IP Logged | ||
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There is a glimmer of a chance that I will be dragged kicking and screaming on a
family vacation to some part of Italy in the summer of 2015. I suppose there are worse evils that can befall a fellow in this odd little world of ours, but frankly, if there are I don't want to know of them. In anticipation of this, I am hoping to learn a decent amount of tourist-level Italian over the next seven months. At present, I am proposing to start with a combination of the following: 1. Duolingo 2. Practice Makes Perfect texts, starting with Basic Italian 3. subscription to LearnItalianPod.com podcasts and then move onto the following: 4. Michel Thomas 5. FSI FAST Italian I anticipate having 45-60 minutes per day of study time, plus mumble time on the bus commuting to/from work. Should be easy-sneezy. ____________________________________________________________ STATUS: updated January 1st (mostly just Duolingo lately, due to work) DUOLINGO - level 9, 46 day streak, completed 13 of 66 units, 59 of 443 lessons PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT - Basic Italian - chapter 7 LEARNITALIANPOD.COM - Beginner level, lesson 11 ITALIAN POD 101.com - Newbie series - lesson 4 - Absolute Beginners series - lesson 2 ITALIAN.ABOUT.COM - Lessons for Beginners - Unit 1 - Pronunciation, etc - 9 of 9 lessons - Unit 2 Parts of Speech - 7 of 19 lessons ANKI - set up ANKI deck of vocab and sentences learned to date - adding to ANKI regularly as new words and phrases learned from duolingo and elsewhere (approx. 800 cards) - SPANKY: I have been working the growing ANKI deck hard. - ANKI: nah, hardly working more like it, truth be told - SPANKY: shut up, youse. EXCUSES FOR NOT WORKING HARDER - legitimate: plentiful, all work related - illegitmate: modest amount only so far Edited by Spanky on 02 January 2015 at 3:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5948 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 2 of 24 20 November 2014 at 3:16am | IP Logged | ||
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Also, once I start posting here in Italian (on the off-chance that I do), I would be very grateful for any corrections.
Also also, I know this is a language forum and not a travel forum, but if anyone has any particular travel suggestions for a first-time visitor to Italy, I would be as grateful to have those as well. We have not narrowed down particulars at all in terms of what part or parts of the country we may visit, and I know next to nothing about the country. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6695 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 24 20 November 2014 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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I suppose you know that 'fiasco' means "bottle" in Italian? And nobody actually knows how it came to mean fiasco, so who cares? You'll just have to concentrate on the original meaning, then you will be much happier and you will definitely get a nice holiday. Edited by Iversen on 20 November 2014 at 2:56pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| chiara-sai Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 3700 days ago 54 posts - 146 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishC2, French Studies: German, Japanese | Message 4 of 24 20 November 2014 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | ||
However, Italians usually use the word ‘bottiglia’ to refer to bottles, and the word ‘fiasco’ to refer to fiascos. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4699 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 5 of 24 20 November 2014 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, I suppose if you are a bottler, everything will end up a fiasco...
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| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5948 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes Studies: French | Message 6 of 24 20 November 2014 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | ||
Perfetto, I will likely now remember this etymological fact forever, and the travel advice throughout our trip - mille grazie!! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4207 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 7 of 24 20 November 2014 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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Actually a fiasco is a wine container. It comes
from the same root as German Flasche, Swedish flaska, English flask etc, which is cognate to other words which refer to other kinds of containers, like "fiala" (vial). The second meaning of fiasco originated as a theatrical slang, and it referred probably either to the fact that the badly-produced "fiaschi" were thrown out of the window or because fiaschi's shape was deemed ungraceful or rougher compared to the other stuff the glassworker could craft. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Xenops Senior Member United States thexenops.deviantart Joined 3817 days ago 112 posts - 158 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 8 of 24 20 November 2014 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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Some people had fun with the word, I think. ;) Though I myself have nothing to contribute on that account.
What I can contribute is hearsay: I am open to correction, but my understanding is that the north part of Italy (north of Rome) is safer for tourists. My understanding is that the southern part 1) takes advantage of tourists as much as they can (and pick-pocket), 2) there are active mafias in the south: they tend to leave normal folk alone, but you never know. So the big sites I would suggest: Rome (might be worth visiting despite the pick-pockets), Milan (nice modern city) and Venice. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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