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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4659 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes  Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 33 of 38 14 November 2013 at 2:47am | IP Logged | ||
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Order of cases in Croatian:
N G D A V(ocative) L(ocative) I(instrumental) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4642 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 34 of 38 14 November 2013 at 11:35am | IP Logged | ||
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This thread prompted me to re-check the order of cases in Polish.
N G D Acc Instr Loc V (although personally, I used to swap G and D in my Polish grammar classes at school) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| samfrances Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4043 days ago 81 posts - 110 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 35 of 38 14 November 2013 at 12:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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As someone who's never learned a heavily case inflected language before, may I ask: what difference does it make what order you list the cases in?
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| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4642 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 36 of 38 14 November 2013 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | ||
I'd guess none, as most of my teachers never picked up on me swapping G and D around :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7147 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 37 of 38 14 November 2013 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | ||
Sort of. There's a tendency in European pedagogy to list cases aping the convention started when teaching Ancient Greek (see here for discussion) The only constant is that nominative is the first case listed, the sequence afterwards varies. I've had expressed before my annoyance at this mimicry/copy-catting/ripping-off before (see here for my comments on the matter) I've seen an argument that one should learn a language's cases (if applicable) by frequency or likelihood of usage. It follows that one could start with vocative (if it exists in that language) since one addresses others with it. Another approach that I saw was when starting to learn Finnish I was advised to tackle cases per the sequence gathered when found in corpus analysis here. Edited by Chung on 18 November 2013 at 9:20pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5047 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 38 of 38 14 November 2013 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | ||
Правильно. Родительный идет за дательным. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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