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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes  Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 9 of 33 23 February 2014 at 6:40pm | IP Logged |
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By the way, let's see if after my head start with Toki Pona I can produce something meaningful (it would be
extremely difficult hehehe). Pona, mi nami li Tulisetan en mi sike e suno tu wan tenpo tu tu tu tu tu en tu. Mi wile sona e seme toki en mi pilin ala ike ijo sona li Toki Pona :) Mi olin la sona e toki insa pi toki mute en sama li tawa Toki Pona, taso mi sona li toki e Toki Pona li ike! I don't master the vocabulary yet and neither the grammar. If what I wrote is understandable I'm already happy :D Other news, the script I will study in this 6 week is Devanagari. More specifically, I'll use Hindi Phonology to give a sound representation of the characters. Edited by tristano on 23 February 2014 at 7:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4330 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 10 of 33 23 February 2014 at 7:16pm | IP Logged |
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Which languages and scripts are you going to work on ?
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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 11 of 33 23 February 2014 at 7:43pm | IP Logged |
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Toki Pona (constructed language) and Devanagari (hindi spelling) for this iteration.
Since Toki Pona is so minimal I will not only work on grammar but I will try to achieve fluency on it. I don't know if it is possible to have speaking fluency in Toki Pona because its extreme lack of grammar and vocabulary makes incredibly difficult to express simple concept like for example software engineer :D Of course, it has not been created for this purpose. I will explore the limit of this language. After I will take a natural language with simple grammar, after probably esperanto and I will increase difficulty every time. Let's see how it goes with Toki Pona for now :) I give myself the right to drop a language if for some reason studying it doesn't show to be productive (too easy, too useless, too difficult at the given time etc). I can spend more than one iteration for more difficult languages. Goal is to be able to approach during time amazingly complex grammars, and script. Edited by tristano on 23 February 2014 at 7:44pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 12 of 33 24 February 2014 at 4:02pm | IP Logged |
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But most probably you were asking me a list of the languages I will approach in the
future. Well, this is difficult to say because I want to cover the most number of families possible and all the types (isolating, agglutinative, polysynthetic etc) with the least number of languages, still avoiding the languages that are in my list of possible target languages (for example, since I want to learn Indonesian in the future, I will study Malay instead; to replace Turkish, I will study Turkmen and so on). Also I have a huge preference for decently regular languages, to avoid losing tons of time studying exceptions. This for grammar study. For scripts study, I will avoid scripts like hebrew where, for example, vowels are not totally or not at all indicated and the only way to pronounce the word is to knowing it in advance. I have already this problem with Persian (and a lot worse with Mandarin) and it is really time taking. For phonology, I'll do this study in a near future and I will pick language with a phonology from relatively difficult to crazy difficult with a preference for decently phonetic languages (or with clear rules like French). I accept any advice :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 13 of 33 24 February 2014 at 8:17pm | IP Logged |
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Anyway, just to anticipate something, my temporary list of languages for grammar study is:
Toki Pona Afrikaans Swahili Bengali Norwegian Esperanto Malay Mongolian Turkmen Welsh Tibetan Quechua Bulgarian Faroese Estonian Malayalam Greenlandic They're not in strict order. Also, I will try to mix families and language type to not put something too similar next to. For scripts... well, I don't know how much are them :) But I think Devanagari, Cyrillic and tibetan for sure, probably also korean and other asian abugidas (they will serve me to be able to read aloud some exotic and difficult to pronounce language). Again, I appreciate any kind of advices about languages that can be helpful for me :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 14 of 33 24 February 2014 at 8:34pm | IP Logged |
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Now, Toki Pona.
Just two words, this language is really minimalistic and expresses really simple concepts. There are 118 words in the vocabulary and many of them are suitable to use as adjectives, noun and verbs. There are grammar particles. To make new words it's needed to put word after the base word as modifiers. Let's play a little game. I will write something in English and i will introduce Toki Pona words and from that moment I will swap English words with them. Ready? Pona! (Good!) Toki Pona is a really pona constructed toki (language). Since there are so few words, can be really ike (complicated in this case, usually means bad) toki toki pona. Mi (I, me) don't sona (know) if mi ever will ken (able) toki poka tiki. Mi hope to find some jan pona (jan: person, jan pona: good person = friend) whom toki poka mi. hehe , let's if I can say this completely in Toki Pona :) toki pona li toki pali pona. toki toki pona li ike (nami mute lili). mi wile toki toki pona poka seme mute jan pona. Literally: Toki Pona is a nice constructed language. Speak Toki Pona is complicated (little vocabulary). I want to speak Toki Pona with some friend. My constructions will be better quickly I promise :D Edited by tristano on 24 February 2014 at 8:35pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6539 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 15 of 33 24 February 2014 at 8:53pm | IP Logged |
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I can't concentrate properly right now, but about "Pona," in the beginning of the sentence, did you mean it like well/bene? you need to focus on the meaning. toki pona is for getting rid of clutter, and this include filler words, too. I mean we're not really saying something is good/nice when we use these fillers :P
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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 16 of 33 24 February 2014 at 11:02pm | IP Logged |
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hehe right :) for curiosity, are you fluent conversationally? if yes, how much time did you take?
I guess than it would be quite difficult being able to use this language to actually speak about something :) -- Changing topic, since I'm a software engineer, I feel more comfortable with 4 weeks iterations than 6 (so I can express the time taken as logarithm of the number of weeks with base 2 :P also, the languages in the list are 16. And I will learn 4 or 8 scripts :P 1 person has voted this message useful |
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