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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6539 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 17 of 33 25 February 2014 at 12:02am | IP Logged |
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No, I'm not :/ This would involve memorizing the ways to say complicated things, which kinda defeats the point. And of course I don't have anyone to talk to.
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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 18 of 33 25 February 2014 at 6:16am | IP Logged |
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Well, if I learn something we can try :) and if it
is impossible we can still switch in Italian :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 19 of 33 25 February 2014 at 7:44am | IP Logged |
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Grammar particles in Toki Pona.
There are some particles that doesn't have any translation but serve to make the sentence understandable (without would be even messier) li: between the subject and the verb, but is not used after mi (I, me) or sina (you) mi moku (I eat) akesi li moku (the reptile eats) If we want to create a compound sentence we have to repeat li before every verb akesi li moku li lukin (the reptile eats and see) warning: the verb to be doesn't exist, is omitted. Therefore to say "the reptile is big" you say "akesi li suli" and when saying "akesi li moku" one possible interpretation is "the reptile is food". Hehehe. e: introduces the direct object akesi li moku e pipi (the reptile eats the bug) mi olin e sina (I love you) Talking about personal pronoun, we have: mi: I sina: you (singular) ona: he/she/it/they To make we and you (all) we need to use the singular pronoun modified with mute: mi mute: we (many me) sina mute: you all (many you) When communicating with this language is mandatory to go to the point. For example to say I'm thirsty, we have to communicate the practical meaning: I want to drink water "mi wile moku e telo" (I want to eat the liquid - yes, eat, don't freak out: it is the same in Persian for example :D ) To end this post about toki pona, I give you a construction that I found incredibly beautiful to say: "how old are you?" tenpo pi mute seme la sina sike e suno? "times of what amount did you circled the sun?" :) oh, and since the counting system is terrible on purpose (you have wan "one" tu "two" and mute "many" and if you want to express bigger numbers than two you have to sum the numbers like for example 11: tu tu tu tu tu wan :D) the possible answers are: - wan - tu - mute ala (not many) - mute :) Edited by tristano on 25 February 2014 at 7:52am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 20 of 33 25 February 2014 at 7:29pm | IP Logged |
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How to describe things in Toki Pona
colors: - walo (white) - jelo (yellow) - laso (blue) - loje (red) - pimeja (black) - kule (colorful) compound colors: the base word and the modifier order has to express depending on the shade: - walo pimeja (grey: blackish white) - pimeja walo (grey: whitish black) - jelo laso (green: blueish yellow) - laso jelo... ...you understood the pattern :) temperature: - lete (cold) - seli (warm) hardness: - kon (air-like) - telo (liquid) - ko (semisolid) - kiwen (hard) size: - lili (small) - suli (big) shape: - linja (very thin) - nena (thick) - sike (circular) others: - jaki (dirty) If you want to be romantic: - mi olin e sina (I love you) - sina pona lukin tawa mi (your beautiful to me) - mi olin e oko sina (I love your eyes) If you want to be really rude: - o pakala! (screw you!) - o tawa weka tan mi! (go away from me!) - mama meli sina li jan olin pana (your mother is a love giver...) If you're hungry... - mi wile e moku ... or thirsty... - mi wile e telo If you feel good... - mi pilin pona ... or not good... - mi pilin pona ala / mi pilin ike My hovercraft is full of eels: tomo tawa lon sewi supa telo mi li jo e kala linja lon insa ali tomo: building tomo tawa: house that walks (transportation mean) tomo tawa lon sewi supa telo mi li jo: my transportation mean that goes on the top of the water surface that I have- ->my hovercraft kala: fish kala linja: fish very thin, line shaped -> eel(s) lon: in insa: inside ali: all lon insa ali: is all inside: is full My hovercraft of eels it is full. Edited by tristano on 25 February 2014 at 7:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 21 of 33 26 February 2014 at 12:07pm | IP Logged |
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This morning, before to come to work, I started to work with Devanagari.
This is the first result: - I suck with handwriting, but this is not an issue: I suck with latin script handwriting as well. - At first sight every character seem equal to the others. But this is not an issue as well because it was like this also with Arabic script and I definetely managed to distinct each character well. At least when taken apart. With some word I have still problems. - I put 10 consonant on my Anki. For tomorrow I will be definetely able the recognize them well. break finished, back to work (the real one, that that gives me the bread of the end of the month) :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 22 of 33 27 February 2014 at 12:20am | IP Logged |
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Addressing people:
the structure is: jan {name of the person} o {rest of the sentence} - jan Toni o, moku sina li lukin pona - jan Lala o, sina wile moku e telo poka mi? but for commands, the o is at the beginning of the sentence: - o pana mi e ona! - o tawa weka tan mi! mi wile lape tenpo ni. mi wile pona lape en tenpo suno kama mi pali. tenpo pimeja pona! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 23 of 33 28 February 2014 at 12:21am | IP Logged |
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This morning I woke up with an idea.
It involves Pareto principles and was more or less like this: - Toki Pona, after 10 hours of study I know already the 80% of the language. The rest of the language will come in the 80% of the time. That means, if 10 hours is the 20% of the time, in other 40 hours. The point is, at this point it's enough to maintain it from time to time and sometimes learn a new rule. It's amazing to notice that the language anyway is already entered in me. - English: as overall the percentage can be 80%, but I'm quite sure that if I work individually on three aspects (grammar, pronunciation and vocabulary) I can reach a nice 90%. And since the grammar is my weakest part, I'm quite sure I can gain a 5% only studying that for one month. Therefore I will dedicate the rest of this iteration to study English grammar. I never did it before, can help me a lot with my training as well. I will stop do it anyway if I realise that I do it not because I desire to do it but because I think that it would be reasonable to do it. Meanwhile, I started to learn a list of 2500 words in Afrikaans. The goal is to have a basic bite-size understanding of the language by knowing these 2500 words before to start. It's another experiment that I'm doing, this branch serves this purpose ;) The rhythm I decided is quite crazy, 100 new words a day, but the cards are also reversed so my knowledge of math is telling me that I will need at least 2 month to do it so I will start a new language before. tawa pona! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3989 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 24 of 33 28 February 2014 at 7:49am | IP Logged |
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Back to basics
Articles Indefinite article: It's used with - a singular noun which is countable, when it's mentioned for the first time and doesn't represent any specific person or thing. (I need a visa) - a noun which is countable, when it's used as example of class of things (a car must be insured) - a noun complement (it was an earthquake). This includes name of professions (She is a dancer) - certain expressions of quantity: a lot/a great many/a great deal of/ a couple - certain numbers: a hundred, a thousand - before half when half follows a whole number: one and a half (with 1/2 kg: a half kg, similarly: a half portion, a half share). also 1/3, 1/4: a third, a quarter - expressions of price, speed, ratio (2 dollars a kg, 60 km a hour, four times a day) - in exclamation before a singular countable noun: what a beautiful girl! a vs an: - a: before a noun starting with consonant or h (which is not mute) . a tomato . a had - a: before a noun starting with vowel or mute h . an apple . an hour 1 person has voted this message useful |
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