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Chris Ford
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Message 17 of 24

18 February 2014 at 5:15am | IP Logged

Well it's certainly been a while since I've posted here! I've been busy moving and starting a new job. Fortunately I've kept up with Spanish and Portuguese a decent amount, even if I haven't really been refining it as much as I'd like. Still, here's a go at what I sound like nowadays in Spanish at least (I get a bit more opportunities to practice Spanish):

audio: https://soundcloud.com/fordm48/spanish17feb14

article: http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2014/02/17/act ualidad/1392650986_046779.html

I think I'll review the (excellent) advice already in this thread and then report back in a bit - thanks everyone!

Edited by Chris Ford on 18 February 2014 at 5:22am
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Cristianoo
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Message 18 of 24

18 February 2014 at 2:35pm | IP Logged

Chris Ford wrote:

And now, you Brazilians also get to experience me butchering your
language! :)

Source: poder-de-reacao-no-
brasileirao,1067686,0.htm">http://www.estadao.com.br/noticia s/esportes,sao-paulo-quer-m
ostrar-poder-de-reacao-no-brasileirao,1067686,0.htm

Audio:
https://soundcloud.com/fordm48/po
rtuguese25aug13

Thoughts: My palatization is pretty inconsistent (sometimes I use a lot, sometimes I
forget). I've noticed that with native speakers it varies from person to person what
they'll palatize and what they won't, but each person is consistent with regards to
when they use it. I'm also guessing as to when I nazalize vowels and how I pronounce x,
but that seems to just come with the language to some extent.

Finally, I didn't realize how much slower I speak in Portuguese! Part of that is the
fact that I'm not as good at it, and I think part just has to do with the speed and
tempo of the language.

16.ª rodada is not dezesseis rodada, but décima sexta rodada because is cardinal

conseguirá not consiguirá

The audio is very good. I undestood everything you said.
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nicozerpa
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Message 19 of 24

19 February 2014 at 12:51am | IP Logged

Chris Ford wrote:

Well it's certainly been a while since I've posted here! I've been busy
moving and starting a new job. Fortunately I've kept up with Spanish and Portuguese a decent
amount, even if I haven't really been refining it as much as I'd like. Still, here's a go at
what I sound like nowadays in Spanish at least (I get a bit more opportunities to practice
Spanish):

audio:
https://soundcloud.com/fordm48/spanish17fe
b14

article:
ml"> http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2014/02/17/act
ualidad/1392650986_046779.html

I think I'll review the (excellent) advice already in this thread and then report back in a
bit - thanks everyone!

Your pronunciation is very clear! There are two or three minor mistakes, but in general it
was really good. The only major challenge that you still need to face is intonation. The text
sounded kind of "robotic", possibly you'll have to search for audiobooks in the Spanish
accent that you're trying to learn and try to mimic it.
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Message 20 of 24

19 February 2014 at 9:20pm | IP Logged

Cristianoo wrote:

Chris Ford wrote:

16.ª rodada is not dezesseis rodada, but décima sexta rodada because is cardinal

conseguirá not consiguirá

The audio is very good. I undestood everything you said.

I've heard pronunciations with E--> I in Brazil. They're not that rare:
[sigir, konsigir, mininu, siguru, sigundu...]

Along with O->U [ /bunitu, chuver, pulicia...]

It's called ''"levantamento das vogais"

[bonito, segir] sounds Southern.
I've never heard it in Salvador.

Edited by Medulin on 19 February 2014 at 9:28pm
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Cristianoo
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Message 21 of 24

20 February 2014 at 3:47am | IP Logged

I just asked my wife to read me these two phrases "Eu não sei se ele conseguirá" and "Eu
não sei se ele vai conseguir", and in both cases she spoke consiguir with /i/ instead of
/e/, so you're probably right, sorry.

These are those things we speak as natives and we don't even notice.

Your nasal sounds are very good. I would practice more the "lh" sound.

The robotic voice is just a lack of practice, because most of the words were spoken
nicely

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nicozerpa
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Message 22 of 24

20 February 2014 at 4:00am | IP Logged

I've just made a search at forvo.com and "conseguir" and it was pronounced with /e/ :P
However, it's very common for Brazilians to pronounce the unstressed "e" with the /i/ sound,
it must depend on the regional accent. I think it's not exactly a "i" vowel, but kind of a
"hybrid" between /e/ and /i/.
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Message 23 of 24

20 February 2014 at 5:02am | IP Logged

In Portugal, I think that "conseguir" sounds like /komsh-gee/, so the e in the
word is basically silent. That avoids any mispronunciation of that e.
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Cristianoo
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Message 24 of 24

20 February 2014 at 6:01am | IP Logged

nicozerpa wrote:

I've just made a search at forvo.com and "conseguir" and it was
pronounced with /e/ :P
However, it's very common for Brazilians to pronounce the unstressed "e" with the /i/
sound,
it must depend on the regional accent. I think it's not exactly a "i" vowel, but kind
of a
"hybrid" between /e/ and /i/.

Yes, something like that. But i think it was pronounced "correctly" in forvo because
the native spoke the word alone, not in a sentence.

If it was in a sentence, it would probably be pronounced as "consiguir", so Medulin is
right and I was wrong :)

1e4e6 wrote:

In Portugal, I think that "conseguir" sounds like /komsh-gee/, so
the e in the
word is basically silent. That avoids any mispronunciation of that e.

I guess you're right

Edited by Cristianoo on 20 February 2014 at 6:04am

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