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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5850 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 73 of 149 28 December 2009 at 11:51am | IP Logged | ||
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That's important to know that the Danish letter "d" should be pronounced like a soft English "th" - sound. To verify this I will quote the IPA-transcriptions according to my dictionary:
med = {með}, {me} ved = {veð} hvad ={vað}, {va} I know this IPA-symbol {ð}, so it's clear that my "l"-impression was wrong. This means that I will have to adapt my pronounciation in this case. Good to know this in the very beginning of my language studies, because I would be difficult to eliminate essential pronouncation mistakes after years of study or usage. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 28 December 2009 at 12:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6912 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 74 of 149 29 December 2009 at 12:59am | IP Logged | ||
In On L-R, Glossa.passion said:
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| Journeyer Triglot Senior Member United States tristan85.blogspot.c Joined 6871 days ago 946 posts - 1110 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German Studies: Sign Language | Message 75 of 149 29 December 2009 at 8:08am | IP Logged | ||
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I've also heard the Danish soft "d" in the word "med" to sound like "mel" to me.
Also, I would consider the "th" of "with" to be a hard "th". Edited by Journeyer on 29 December 2009 at 8:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
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Fasulye, I think you're hearing the sound as "l" from a German angle, maybe it resembles your -l in certain positions: Milch, weil, helfen, Onkel (which to my ears is a different sound than the English -l in milk, while, help, uncle).
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| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5850 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 77 of 149 29 December 2009 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, German "l" and English "l" are different, what I hear resembles the German "l"-sound. I am now training hard to produce the Danish "soft d" - sound. It's a real tong-fitness exercise!!! Fasulye 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Journeyer Triglot Senior Member United States tristan85.blogspot.c Joined 6871 days ago 946 posts - 1110 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German Studies: Sign Language | Message 78 of 149 29 December 2009 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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What is the position for a German L? It's a sound I haven't quite nailed down.
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Of course there are different types of l in English too, for example L-vocalisation (milk->miwk, old->owd). The last time I was in Germany, an English guy asked me the word for "slow(ly)". I said "langsam" and he repeated "rangsam"... almost as if his tongue position was behind the lower front teeth and tried to say /r/.
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| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5850 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 80 of 149 29 December 2009 at 8:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am not a phonetician, Jeff, but when I as a native speaker pronounce a German "l" in words such as "viel", "Ball" "Spiele" etc. I always press my tong strongly against my upper front teeth. Therefore it's for me very difficult to produce a sound by moving my tong aginst my lower front teeth, this feels unnatural for me.
Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 29 December 2009 at 8:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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