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| Johntm Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5356 days ago 616 posts - 725 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 33 of 53 28 March 2010 at 7:15am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I think it'd be cool to learn the languages that the original manuscripts and letters of the Bible were written in, then find a Bible with each book in it's original language (if there is one) and read it. That'd be better than any translation, IMO. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| didaskolos Newbie United States Joined 6776 days ago 10 posts - 46 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Ancient Greek, Modern Hebrew, Sign Language, Mandarin | Message 34 of 53 31 March 2010 at 3:00am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Here are a few published volumes available from Amazon or other online booksellers. I've added a bit of the Amazon info blurbs under each title. This one contains the BHS Hebrew OT and the NA27 Greek NT. "Biblia Sacra Utriusque Testamenti Editio Hebraica Et Graeca" * Hardcover: 2384 pages * Publisher: Hendrickson Publishers; Bilingual edition (August 2006) * ISBN-10: 1598561790 * ISBN-13: 978-1598561791 This one contains the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT plus the deuterocanonical books. "Septuagint" edited by Rahlfs * Hardcover: 941 pages * Publisher: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (August 2006) * ISBN-10: 1598561804 * ISBN-13: 978-1598561807 This one contains the Syriac version of the Bible. I'm not 100% sure that this is the same as the Peshitta version. Hardcover Publisher: American Bible Society (September 2005) Language: Syriac ISBN-10: 090018552X ISBN-13: 978-0900185526 I think that the general view which is commonly held is that most of the OT was written in Hebrew (except for a few Aramaic sections), the deuterocanonical books were written in Greek, and the NT in Greek. While there has been some debate about possible Aramaic or Hebrew originals of Matthew and Mark or other books, my sense of things is that the commonly held view is that these books probably relied on Aramaic or Hebrew oral or written sources in some places but were written in Greek. There is an out-of-the-mainstream view which holds that the Peshitta version of the NT was the original and that the Greek is a translation from that. While this view is not commonly held, it is quite possible that the Peshitta might in some verses reflect some original Aramaic sayings and teachings better than Greek. If you are considering starting to learn these languages, here is a link to a thread I posted in about my experiences in learning Greek. http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=18976&PN=1&TPN=1#211035 If you are thinking about learning any of these languages, I'd strongly recommend using some variation of a Listening-Reading method with a grammar book as a supporting aid. As a warning, many of the Biblical Greek and Hebrew textbooks I've seen focus more on memorizing paradigms and vocabulary rather than learning to read. Dr. Arguelles has posted many useful articles about language learning on this forum, his web site (www.foreignlanguageexpertise.com), and youtube (as user ProfAsAr). There are also a number of other people who have posted some very good advice on language learning on this site. It is a result of those people's shared wisdom that I have been able to make successful progress. I'd strongly recommend going through some of these materials to help guide you into a good learning method before starting. The bottom line, consistent daily effort combined with an effective method will yield results. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Johntm Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5356 days ago 616 posts - 725 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 35 of 53 31 March 2010 at 8:08am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Wow thanks didaskolos, I guess I'll have to get to all those languages eventually.
Ah well, more languages goals to achieve before I die! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Al-Irelandi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5469 days ago 111 posts - 177 votes Speaks: English* | Message 36 of 53 31 March 2010 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
This is something that confuses even Anthropologists. Some challenge them saying that the chances that languages evolved out of primate grunts and bellows, is akin to a computer evolving from silicon and plastic and by chance merging together and forming a '1995 spec' Intel Pentium based PC with 16MB of RAM and a 500MB hard-drive and a dual-speed CD-ROM drive, all over the course of 30 thousand years. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5315 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 37 of 53 31 March 2010 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
What? Sorry, but you can't compare human linguistic evolution to plastic pieces poofing themselves into a computer. Edited by Arekkusu on 31 March 2010 at 6:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| dmaddock1 Senior Member United States Joined 5367 days ago 174 posts - 426 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Esperanto, Latin, Ancient Greek | Message 38 of 53 31 March 2010 at 6:53pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I happen to agree with you, but why not? Your assertion is as unsubstantiated as his. If you're going to bother telling someone they are wrong, at least tell them why. Al-Irelandi: In fact, the computer is a result of a long-term evolutionary-style process of increasing complexity of calculating machines made by humans. Consider the simple calculator and the abacus before it. Both language and computers are products of human ingenuity and equating their development with random molecular interaction is fallacious. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5315 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 39 of 53 31 March 2010 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
His claim is that gradual changes are extremely unlikely to amount to anything over a substantial amount of time. I don't consider that a viable rebuttal of any kind. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| dmaddock1 Senior Member United States Joined 5367 days ago 174 posts - 426 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Esperanto, Latin, Ancient Greek | Message 40 of 53 31 March 2010 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Interesting thoughts didaskolos. I sampled a bunch of different audio sources online and only found a few that seemed to me to have a natural rhythm. Also, the variation in pronunciation is a nightmare for beginning students. I was really excited to find Stephen Daitz's recordings but the pitch accents are just bizarre. Is the market for original language audio outside of religious texts so small that no one else has bothered to record Homer with an Erasmian pronunciation? Have you been able to find suitable audio for Greek L-R outside of the GNT? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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