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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6674 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 41 of 70 28 May 2011 at 12:22am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Look at this: http://tv.sohu.com/ 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| steveboi Newbie Canada oneyearmandarin Joined 4934 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 42 of 70 28 May 2011 at 1:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Thank you very much, I hadnt seen SOHU before. I'll definitely keep checking that out.
But what I'm really looking for is DOWNLOADS, 20+minute long talk, news, interviews, that I can play while I drive, exercise, or work. To get a feel for the rhythm and intonation of the language. The ideal would be a SLOWLY SPOKEN MANDARIN conversation podcast or something like that. But non-learner oriented material would be good as well. I can google more, but if anyone has specific recommendations, please post. cheers, stevie campbell, canada 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6549 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 43 of 70 28 May 2011 at 2:47am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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You might be better off with intermediate Mandarin learner type podcasts than news podcasts. The pure
Mandarin ones that I like are imandarinpod CSL pod My favorite overall has some English at the lower levels Chinese learn online If you don't mind a US twist on the news, VOA Mandarin I personally hate Chinespod, for reasons I won't bore you with, except for the fact that they use way too much English. For the complete beginner though, they are quite useful. It's worth it to go through their beginner series to suck up all the vocab, but I wouldn't count that as "normal" listening. And I know your looking for stuff you can use on the run, but you might occasionally settle down and watch a drama with subtitles. D Addicts 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| FamusBluRaincot Triglot Groupie Canada Joined 5560 days ago 50 posts - 114 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Mandarin, Italian | Message 44 of 70 28 May 2011 at 3:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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http://learning.chinese.cn/en/
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| kmart Senior Member Australia Joined 6123 days ago 194 posts - 400 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian | Message 45 of 70 28 May 2011 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I agree we are both making assumptions here, but how about this example... A learner studying Italian in written form, may easily make the error of pronouncing the present tense conjugation of "avere" with an "h" sound at the beginning, as they read "ho, hai, ha" etc (in fact I know a woman who does just this, several years after she commenced studying - she does usually correct herself, but she can't seem to shake her instinctive initial error). But a learner listening to audio, without any written reference, would never pronounce the incorrect "h" because they don't know it's there. They may, in fact, spell it incorrectly, because the initial impression they had of the word did NOT contain an "h" (again, I know someone who intially learned by audio only, and she does have this spelling problem (but I don't do it very often)). ;-) Now we can't say definitively whether or not Learner 2 would mispronounce "ho" if she had been exposed to it initially in written form. But I think I can confidently say that Learner 1 wouldn't have put an "h" at the beginning if she had learned only by audio. And another person I know recently commenced using Pimsleur - every week she has coffee with me and demonstrates what she's learned. Her pronunciation isn't very good, but she's comprehensible. Then she insists I write down the phrases for her, because she has "a visual learning style". I have argued with her about this, but she insists she cannot learn by listening, she needs to see the words written down. When she comes back the next week, the words she could somewhat pronounce the week before have become rubbish. Not scientific evidence, I realise. Just some observations I have made. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| steveboi Newbie Canada oneyearmandarin Joined 4934 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 46 of 70 30 May 2011 at 6:36am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
thank you Leo, that is a lot to get me started. but please, Im curious, why dont you like chinese pod? Ive been listening to a few of them and, as far as I can say, they are great. for entertainment purposes that is. Im a chinese rookie but they are clearly not useful for actually learning and retaining new info. at least not at the beginner levels. that said, they are entertaining.... whats your take? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6549 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 47 of 70 30 May 2011 at 6:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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See post 75 of
this thread. I was severely criticized and made to pay for my comments later in the thread and elsewhere on that forum. The elders do not favor me because of this, and that's why I don't spend much time over there any more. So I'm giving you a link, rather than reposting. If anyone wants to comment, please do it over there. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| steveboi Newbie Canada oneyearmandarin Joined 4934 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 48 of 70 30 May 2011 at 7:42am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I dont know leo, I read to the end and I didnt see much critique aimed at yours points. they seemed more concerned with the John host debate. my two cents: everything you said was perfectly sensible and clearly based on having fairly tried them out. forums can get weird. nothing new about that. Im going to listen to the occaisonal cpod just to give it a fair shake, see what all the hype is about. but right now--im 20 days into mandarin study--im mostly sticking to michel thomas and pimsleur. I find they complement eachother nicely. the MT host is easy to listen too, calming. its slower paced than pimsleur, less robotic, less intense, and full of detailed explanations of the basic grammar. pimsleur is more packed with info and harder to listen to for more than one lesson a day. they are a good mix. but they both require active engagement. sometimes, after an hour of one or the other, i just want to hear some mandarin without the lesson aspect, thus my search for talk. I'm going to try the podcast you mentioned, and also the other responses. but IM still searching for some non- student oriented talk. the equivaelnt of a CBC or NPR social programs, news show, interview show, but in standard mandarin. i know thats probably out there in many forms, but its likely posted in mandarin and thus hard to find searching in english. -stevie 1 person has voted this message useful |
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