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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5756 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 73 of 131 05 July 2011 at 5:53am | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, I didn't elaborate, I meant 'at a level where I can't yet work well with Korean only explanations or rephrase a sentence to fit a different register etc' because for me, when I can work with native-only material like that, the (at least passive) acquisition of new grammar points and vocabulary becomes so natural that I don't feel the need to SRS them. Edited by Bao on 11 July 2011 at 11:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6540 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 74 of 131 08 July 2011 at 2:47am | IP Logged | ||
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Advice did to this thread what curiosity does to a cat.
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| Sprachgenie Decaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5699 days ago 128 posts - 165 votes Speaks: German*, Dutch, Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Faroese, Icelandic, Flemish, Persian, Swiss-German Studies: English, Belarusian | Message 75 of 131 08 July 2011 at 7:06am | IP Logged | ||
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It surprised me a bit to read that Korean is so difficult. I just hired a new translator for Korean-English who is American and didn't begin learning Korean until age 22. He is 32 now and has spent a total of 6 months in South Korea. He talks to Korean clients on the phone quite often in Korean, so he has excellent passive and active skills. I brought the comments from this thread to his attention and he said that certain languages require the use of very specific methods, which can vary greatly across languages and language family. For Korean it is critical to combine shadowing with sweepdecking. He used this to attain basic fluency in under 2 years (6 months of which were in Korea).
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| GREGORG4000 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5513 days ago 307 posts - 479 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish Studies: Japanese, Korean, Amharic, French | Message 76 of 131 08 July 2011 at 7:29am | IP Logged | ||
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What's sweepdecking?
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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6540 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 77 of 131 09 July 2011 at 12:36am | IP Logged | ||
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Sprachgenie, can you ask him to post a detailed language plan here? I think many members would really appreciate
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| Sprachgenie Decaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5699 days ago 128 posts - 165 votes Speaks: German*, Dutch, Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Faroese, Icelandic, Flemish, Persian, Swiss-German Studies: English, Belarusian | Message 78 of 131 09 July 2011 at 3:33am | IP Logged | ||
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I will ask him next week to post a message here about how he learned Korean. Today he told me he had a perfect score on his SAT but he says it's all about the methods. I think aptitude at least plays some role, however.
Sweepdecking is a method for learning vocabulary that refers to mastering 1000 new words/phrases in a 6 day period. A test is then administered on the 7th day by another person. Assuming that Korean is the language being learned, the person who studied is shown 1000 index cards in sequence in a mixture of the other languages he can already speak. So if he knows Russian, Arabic, and Polish, then the cards will be written in those languages (ideally 1/3 each). The point is then to be able to say and write the corresponding Korean word immediately once he sees the word in another language. This forces you to think on your feet as you won't know what source language is coming at you for which word. By getting all 1000 cards correct you have swept the deck. This cycle should be repeated every week (with new words of course). Edited by Sprachgenie on 09 July 2011 at 3:39am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| janalisa Triglot Senior Member France janafadness.com/blog Joined 6880 days ago 284 posts - 466 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese Studies: Russian, Norwegian | Message 79 of 131 09 July 2011 at 5:56am | IP Logged | ||
This sounds so interesting! I'd really like to know more about this "sweepdecking" method and how to implement it. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| DNB Bilingual Triglot Groupie Finland Joined 4876 days ago 47 posts - 80 votes Speaks: Finnish*, Estonian*, English | Message 80 of 131 11 July 2011 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have no trouble with formal Korean, but the relaxed 'mumbling' drives me crazy...
I guess one would have to move to Korea for some years and study really hard if they wished to really master listening to Korean... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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