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| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5949 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 17 of 131 01 July 2011 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | ||
In the short time I spent with the language, these sound changes were what really threw me off. All the other difficult things about the language I think I have seen in other languages. ETA: spelling Edited by lichtrausch on 01 July 2011 at 7:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| galindo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5196 days ago 142 posts - 248 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Portuguese | Message 18 of 131 01 July 2011 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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This thread makes me think I need to get started on Korean RIGHT NOW, since it's obviously going to take me 20 years to be able to understand it. I've watched a few music videos in Korean with phonetic subtitles, and it's amazing how what I hear doesn't match up with what I see at all. I think I would definitely get frustrated trying to conquer those difficult sounds. But I know it would be worth it because of all the amazing television, movies, and books I would love to be able to understand.
I thought it would be better to put off Korean until I've perfected Japanese, but I guess I need to go take a look at those threads about beginning Korean! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Yurk Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5719 days ago 29 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English*, Russian, Azerbaijani Studies: Modern Hebrew, Sign Language, Korean, Spanish, Indonesian, Irish Studies: French | Message 19 of 131 01 July 2011 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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You're not alone, OP. I've only spent two years on it now, but I can definitely recognize the exact problems you're
experiencing it. I do believe though that maybe in at least a decade I'll be able to comprehend Korean as it's spoken. It is a shame you seem to be giving up now though, I think you'd be able to reach that point in a few years too if consistent. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| oolong tea Newbie United States Joined 5202 days ago 5 posts - 6 votes Studies: Korean | Message 20 of 131 01 July 2011 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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You think that's hell, consider this: I purchased a novel, Alice in Wonderland in Korean. Now, it was translated from the said original but whenever I glance at the original, I'm stunned to see how little I understood. Plus, it's a book about nonsense, when it does make "sense", it never did. (Think about it) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| GREGORG4000 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5512 days ago 307 posts - 479 votes Speaks: English*, Finnish Studies: Japanese, Korean, Amharic, French | Message 21 of 131 01 July 2011 at 9:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Vocabulary is killing me.
"강장", "건장", "정종", "공장", "전공", "간장", "조간", "존경", 등 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5217 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 22 of 131 01 July 2011 at 9:47pm | IP Logged | ||
Hmm. It doesn't sound that much more difficult than Spanish or German or French sandhi. E.g., for Spanish, "b" between vowels is an approximant, but after m n and at the beginning of utterance a full voiced stop, "d" is a fricative except when it comes after "n" "l" or at the beginning of an utterance. Or take the vowel reduction rules in Russian or English, the devoicing of certain word final stops, and assimilation of neighboring consonants. LingQ seems to have added some Korean lately--why not try listening along with a transcript? By the way, if anyone wants to see particularly nasty sandhi rules, check out the original offender, Sanskrit. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vientito Senior Member Canada Joined 6327 days ago 212 posts - 281 votes | Message 23 of 131 01 July 2011 at 9:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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A lot of those korean words that you see do in fact have a lot of logics behind them.
A lot of them actually do have meaning in chinese. A while after I started korean, I was amazed that lots of the words actually have very predictable construct relative to my native cantonese (which inherits as well lots of traditional chinese characters). For a person coming from a different background, this is totally alien to them. Perhaps that is a critical point that I like to stress. Building vocabulary to you at first would be a brute memorization process, until you reach a point where you cover most everyday concepts. Then you will hit a wall because without knowledge of what the underlying meaning and logics of these sounds you will be stuck forever at memorization of the units, without the ability of creating meaningful units yourself. Korean continues to absorb words, the same way they have been doing after chinese in the past. There are lots of loanwords from English. They even take after a German word for "moonlighting". Their cultural mindset is like the borgs in star trek they will assimilate whatever that come across and claim them as their own. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sanghee Groupie United States Joined 5057 days ago 60 posts - 98 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Korean | Message 24 of 131 01 July 2011 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | ||
These two character words are sooo common and really are where a lot of my problems lie. I've only been studying for about 7 months but I'll frequently mix up two "slightly similar" 2 syllable words that I learn around the same time. Or, I'll flop sounds within words to say/type non-existent words. Examples of those are my difficulty in remembering 서점 versus 사전, or saying 경절 [either a non-existent word or an uncommon one, because I did manage to find a definition for it on naver] instead of 결정. However, I'm studying Hanja, I know about 90 now, and I think that will help a bit with some of these two syllable words. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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