crafedog Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5820 days ago 166 posts - 337 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean, Tok Pisin, French
| Message 9 of 19 14 March 2012 at 1:13pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
crafedog wrote:
Teach in a school in England? Yuck, yuck, yuck (and I
actually am a
language teacher -
English as a foreign language). I can still remember my schooldays and how rubbish my
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The school was just very poor. Lazy, uninspiring teachers with violent, crazy, criminal
students. I have very few good memories of school apart from the time I spent with my
friends outside of it. I never enjoyed education until I went to university.
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napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5018 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 10 of 19 14 March 2012 at 2:26pm | IP Logged |
crafedog wrote:
Марк wrote:
crafedog wrote:
Teach in a school in England? Yuck, yuck, yuck (and I
actually am a
language teacher -
English as a foreign language). I can still remember my schooldays and how rubbish my
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What was wrong? |
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The school was just very poor. Lazy, uninspiring teachers with violent, crazy, criminal
students. I have very few good memories of school apart from the time I spent with my
friends outside of it. I never enjoyed education until I went to university. |
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I remember our own teacher saying exactly the same thing. He used to teach in a school in the UK and he said that he would never do it again, even for all the money in the world. He said how most students were either uinterested or were just plain lazy. Some were even criminally violent.
He said that there were some excellent teachers but most were indifferent.
He said that he had to go to work everyday with the threat of violence hanging over him like the Sword of Damocles.
Coming from someone who is not only a brilliant teacher but also a great person, I cannot but believe what he says.
Napoleon
Edited by napoleon on 14 March 2012 at 3:09pm
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napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5018 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 11 of 19 14 March 2012 at 3:00pm | IP Logged |
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Марк wrote:
napoleon wrote:
Immigrants, generally, fall into two categories:
1. Skilled: Like nurses, doctors, engineers, other professionals. Most, if not all,
immigrate legally.
2. Unskilled: Most work odd labour-intensive jobs. Many enter the country illegally.
Now heres the catch:
Those of the first group usually have well paying jobs and will generally not consider
teaching.
Those of the second group are usually not educated enough to teach others. Even if they
could, most would probably be deported.
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No, there are a lot of people with high education and there are philologists among
them. Even skilled workers do not often have a job.
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Philologists and other educated professionals do not make up the bulk of the immigrant population.
There may always be a few indivials who posses the necessary qualifications and the inclination to teach. But they do not matter much in the larger scheme of things. Demand will far exceed supply unless the government provides incentives for either foreign language teachers to immigrate or existing teachers to learn languages to a high level.
The government of UK has a history of importing, so-to-speak, medical professionals from abroad. It has in the past provided incentives for foreign doctors and nurses to immigrate and settle there.
So, qualified persons can always be invited from abroad.
However, in the current economic scenario, it is very unlikely that the government will increase immigration quotas.
No matter what happens, I expect certain things to remain the same.
Most students who learn will learn despite their teachers and not because of them. :)
Edited by napoleon on 14 March 2012 at 3:05pm
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William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6274 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 12 of 19 15 March 2012 at 2:44pm | IP Logged |
The trends in Britain at any rate have been to downgrade language teaching (I understand some time back that taking a language at school used to be compulsory but this was ended). In a time of economic crisis I don't expect this trend to be reversed.
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napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5018 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 13 of 19 15 March 2012 at 3:36pm | IP Logged |
William Camden wrote:
The trends in Britain at any rate have been to downgrade language teaching (I understand some time back that taking a language at school used to be compulsory but this was ended). In a time of economic crisis I don't expect this trend to be reversed. |
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To paraphrase the inimitable Sir Humphrey Appleby:
The Tories expect the rest of the world to learn English.
Labour on the other hand tries to pass 'existing' (read: underqualified) foreign language teachers as the paragons of perfection. :D
Its a vicious cycle really, and one with no end in sight.
Napoleon
Edited by napoleon on 15 March 2012 at 4:26pm
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 14 of 19 15 March 2012 at 3:44pm | IP Logged |
William Camden wrote:
The trends in Britain at any rate have been to downgrade language
teaching (I understand some time back that taking a language at school used to be
compulsory but this was ended). In a time of economic crisis I don't expect this trend to
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Then there must be excess of language teachers, not shortage.
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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 15 of 19 15 March 2012 at 4:27pm | IP Logged |
If languages are taught less and less there must be more and more extra language
teachers.
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stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5834 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin
| Message 16 of 19 15 March 2012 at 7:11pm | IP Logged |
William Camden wrote:
The trends in Britain at any rate have been to downgrade language teaching (I understand some time back that taking a language at school used to be compulsory but this was ended). In a time of economic crisis I don't expect this trend to be reversed. |
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English secondary schools are judged on how well they are performing in league tables. One of the new criteria is the percentage of pupils who gain the English baccalaureate, which means achieving grade C or higher in Maths, English, Science, Geography or History and a Modern Foreign language. This has meant that schools which made the study of an MFL optional in recent years, are now making it compulsory again. Hence the need for more MFL teachers.
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