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| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4876 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 57 of 256 18 September 2012 at 10:33am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Congratulations with finishing Heisig. I did that myself a few weeks ago and today I
only had 88 reviews. Also, you should look into adding Japanese words to your keywords, like this: Music たの・しい 音がく This helps when dealing with similar keywords! ;) And this list might help you filter out some hard-to-remember, ultra-rare kanji 1001-2042-end/">Clicky EDIT: I give up... google "filtering out remembering the kanji flaws" Edited by stifa on 18 September 2012 at 10:35am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4668 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 58 of 256 20 September 2012 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm thinking about that although for a different reason. I've started to keep my notes electronically, in the form of web pages on a local server in the house. Less clutter than keeping notebooks :-) So I want to include kana and kanji, but writing them directly into the html source means I'm no longer 8-bit clean. It's easy enough to write a simple filter that can turn strings of (roomaji) kana into the correct unicode html for hiragana and katakana. Doing the same for kanji requires a keyword per kanji (so, for example, "hon" becomes 本 (that's ampersand-hash-x672c-comma, in case it looks like a kanji when reading this). I've found one list on the web, but if there are any pointers for a generally agreed upon set, that would be helpful.
I'm using the Reviewing the Kanji website and going through to mark all of those kanji so that they do not crop up would take more effort than occasionally having to remember one. Furthermore, a few of them (e.g. sign-of-the-bird) do crop up in all sorts of compounds, so it's really almost no effort to remember those too. My daughter has suggested that we should make a start on mandarin when she's back in the country next summer. I'm not sure she's entirely serious, but I do like the idea of trying Mandarin at some point, in which case 2000-3000 kanji would be a nice head start on the ~10000 hanzi that I would probably need to master sooner or later. Colour me glutton for punishment :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5187 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 59 of 256 20 September 2012 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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10,000 Hanzi? Are you serious? As I 10,000 different characters to learn? Who would think anything would
make Japanese look not too hard lol. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6623 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 60 of 256 23 September 2012 at 8:13am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Oh, but the grammar is so much easier that it makes up for that. Of course, there are the tones too.... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4668 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 61 of 256 23 September 2012 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I went and asked my Cantonese colleague. He thought 4000 might be a better estimate. It's still a fair few. If I ever try, I'm hoping for a decent amount of overlap with the Kanji to minimise the effort. (That said, I'm watching "Nihonjin no Shiranai Nihingo" at the moment [with subtitles!!] and kanji keep cropping up there that mean one thing in Japanese and something (mildly) different in Chinese).
Allegedly. Then again, Japanese has "no plurals" and only two tenses, so it must be easy, right? ...
Only four for Mandarin versus nine for Cantonese. "Learn Mandarin: more useful" was my friend's advice :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5985 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 62 of 256 23 September 2012 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Japanese is easy. No plurals, no genders, no cases and only two irregular verbs!
On the plus side for hanzi, at least you generally only have to worry about one pronunciation per character. 4000 characters with one reading sounds a lot less hassle than 2000 characters with multiple readings. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| rewire Groupie United States learninglane.tumblr.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4550 days ago 82 posts - 90 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 63 of 256 23 September 2012 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Chinese tends to be grammatically easier for English speakers since it's also SVO and there are no plurals, genders, cases, or conjugation (things like past or future tense are indicated by sticking a time-word like "today" or "later" in). And like g-bod said, there's only one reading and meaning per character, so memorizing ~4000 is not as difficult as it sounds to Japanese-learners. It's just that the actual speaking/listening of the language that makes it more difficult with tones and differentiating between sounds like ch/q, sh/x, and the expected issues with most languages "r," from my experience.
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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4668 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 64 of 256 24 September 2012 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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W/E 2012-09-23 26h
Kanji reviews down to 25m and 48 in box #1. I've not had much time for memrise this week, so the gardens are slightly drying up. I have been working much more on grammar. I've been going through the N5 practice drills that my tutor has given me, working in detail on each sentence, making sure I think I understand each one. That's been quite time consuming, but I have identified a few new grammar points and usages, so I think it has been a useful exercise. (I still have a few more to work my way through, so this phase is by no means finished). Last sign up for the December N5 is the beginning of October, so I need to get that sorted out ASAP. I'm still listening to the JPOD101 audio tracks during my commute but I've now started to listen to the dialog, grammar and review tracks in the office (instead of listening to music). I'm not concentrating on them, so I'm not counting it as "learning" time, but it does mean that I can check that everything is there and it presumably doesn't hurt to have Japanese audio as "background noise". 1 person has voted this message useful |
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