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| Summer_Roll Newbie United States N/A Joined 4320 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 1 of 11 30 January 2013 at 7:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Background: I'm an unemployed college graduate and thought that it would be fun to learn japanese this year. I
have tried to go through RTK (remembering the kanji) before and have never finished it. I currently have around 200 kanji in Anki and will be adding them as fast as is fun. I'm going to try to keep this as a fun thing and not really put any pressure on myself. Japanese level up (japaneselevelup.com) does a really good job of outlining how one can look at language learning the same way one looks at a video game. This is the approach I'm going to be taking this year and I really want to see if I can take something that is traditionally looked at as difficult and painful, and turn it into something I do to relax and enjoy myself. Depending on how everything goes this year I might see about taking the JLPT 2 in December. This is a bit of a reach, but who knows what might happen. In the next post I will detail a bit more specifically what my current language learning philosophy is and how I plan to learn over the next year. Edited by Summer_Roll on 30 January 2013 at 10:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Summer_Roll Newbie United States N/A Joined 4320 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 2 of 11 31 January 2013 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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(These are my beliefs prior to doing any sort of personal language learning and are formed 100% on the various
things that I have read online. They might change.) I will revisit this post when I finally get the ability to post links. I'd like to add links to different articles and videos that have influenced my thinking, and flesh this out more fully. I guess the most foundational belief I have is that language learning is not a creative process. I believe it is primarily learning how to imitate a native speaker. This affects the way I am planning on learning because I will have zero focus on writing or speaking for a very long time. I think that when you attempt to speak or write too early, you don't have the knowledge to express yourself in the same way a native would. This is important to me because I want to take my japanese to a very high level eventually. This also means that I am going to be focusing minimally on grammar initially. Without enough sentence references built up in my head, I don't think that grammar is going to help me construct natural sounding sentences. I know that in English I use my knowledge of grammar as a conscious "checker" that activates after my mind has already generated a spontaneous potential sentence. My guess is that ultimately the same thing has to begin to happen in your L2 if you want to be fluent. So... with that in mind... my tentative plan is to complete RTK lite, then complete the core 6k while finishing up RTK at a slower pace, and then explore some of the premade subs2srs decks available online. 100% of my studying is going to take place inside of Anki for at least a few months. At some point I am going to be switching to J-J cards. Japanese Level Up recommends around the 1,000th sentence, so I will start to try around then, possibly going back and starting with the sentences that I have already learned in Anki. Oh, also I am going to be trying to have all of my cards contain audio. Right now the plan is to create 2 cards for each sentence, one that goes from Kanji to kana/audio, and one that goes from audio to definitions/translation. Edited by Summer_Roll on 01 February 2013 at 4:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Summer_Roll Newbie United States N/A Joined 4320 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 3 of 11 31 January 2013 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| Summer_Roll Newbie United States N/A Joined 4320 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 4 of 11 01 February 2013 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| Summer_Roll Newbie United States N/A Joined 4320 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 5 of 11 01 February 2013 at 4:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I reviewed about 170 cards in Anki today. I had to catch up on the reviews that I'd missed over the last few days.
I find that one of my biggest struggles is remembering the order of the radicals in the kanji. I think when I make my stories in the future I will try to take this into account so that I stop failing kanji for such a dumb reason. I bought an ipad recently and reviewing cards in it is AMAZING. My recommendations are to activate "show swipe zones" in the settings and to make it so the right side of the screen can be tapped to choose your answer. I have it so that the upper right portion of the screen answers "easy", the middle right answers "good", the bottom right answers "hard", and the entire left portion answers "again". If you hold the ipad in portrait mode, this means you won't have to move your hands at all to be able to flip the card and to provide a difficulty. I hate using the buttons at the bottom to answer, and this really "greases" the process. I also have swipe up to "mark" the card. I use this so that I can go back to cards I had trouble with. For example I am marking the cards I am failing because of radical order. This way I can find them later and try to come up with a mnemonic to remember them without interrupting my review flow. I am also using swipe down to "bury" a card. If I am really struggling with a card and I just keep failing it that session, I "bury" it so that it won't come up this session, but will come up again next session. I use this if I don't think that I need to come up with a new mnemonic, and that the card will simply stick after a bit of time. And then I have swipe right to "mark and bury" and swipe left to "undo", in case I accidentally answered. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5985 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 6 of 11 02 February 2013 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Welcome to the team!
I look forward to following your progress in Japanese. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Summer_Roll Newbie United States N/A Joined 4320 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 7 of 11 03 February 2013 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks, g-bod.
Today and yesterday I did 42 reviews total. I will probably try to add 30-50 new kanji today. These are kanji that I learned a few years back, so they aren't that difficult to relearn. Apparently I average about 7 reviews per minute, or 420 reviews per hour. This is a pretty important metric I think, which I will have to watch especially when I begin to add audio to my cards. If a sentence requires 10 seconds to listen to, I can imagine my review rate dropping to 3 or fewer cards per minute, or 180 cards per hour. I obviously have limited time I can put into learning japanese, so if the audio makes the cards take too long, I might have to adjust if I want to be able to cover a decent amount of vocabulary this year. Thankfully, I don't have to worry about that until I finish RTK lite though. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Takato Tetraglot Senior Member HungaryRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5051 days ago 249 posts - 276 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, EnglishB2, GermanB2, Japanese | Message 8 of 11 25 February 2013 at 3:31am | IP Logged | |||||
It'll be interesting to see how you go like this. Good luck!
Interesting struggle! Could you show me an example? I think after you can recognize a certain amount of kanji, when you write it the wrong way it just doesn't seem to be right. But then maybe you'll show me something made up of 4 radicals, I don't know. I'm really intrigued. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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