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| I'm With Stupid Senior Member Vietnam Joined 4175 days ago 165 posts - 349 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Vietnamese | Message 17 of 22 19 September 2013 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't understand what you're getting at. I'm talking about expats in other countries. I live in Vietnam, and with the exception of Vietnamese Americans, I only know a single expat who can speak Vietnamese to a conversational level. They all work in English, their accommodation has English-speaking office staff, the banks have English speaking staff and forms to fill in. You can live quite comfortably here without knowing any Vietnamese beyond a few useful phrases. As a result, the vast majority never learn the language. And this is in a country where most people don't have very good English, or indeed none at all. So imagine what it's like in the Netherlands, where international students are studying in English, most of their friends are other international students, and even all of the local people speak English to a near-native level of fluency. I can't imagine anyone but those really interested in language learning are going to make the effort to learn the language. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4255 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 18 of 22 19 September 2013 at 8:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
They were, at least to my knowledge. English has only recently become bigger, I think. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5011 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 19 of 22 19 September 2013 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
When most people can't use any foreign language much despite half of them seriously considering moving away after university, it is stupidity. When they expect everything to be available in their native language despite knowing it is such a small one and despite complaining about some of the Czech textbooks, it is stupidity. Nothing else. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4624 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 20 of 22 22 September 2013 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
But not everyone is interested in languages and, besides, most people spend their whole lives resident in their country of birth. If you worked as a dentist in, say, Brno, you wouldn't need to have a great command of any other language than Czech. Perhaps there just isn't a culture of foreign language learning in the Czech Republic (border regions excepted). The Empire has been gone close on 100 years, Russian was hated and swiftly abandoned following the collapse of communism. I'm sure many young people are now starting to embrace English but it will take a long time to filter through to the general population. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5011 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 21 of 22 23 September 2013 at 2:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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If you study to become a dentist, it is different because dentists actually get paid real money and can open their own practice after just a few years. But when you study general medicine (which leads to all the other specialisations), everyone knows the chances to have a good salary and work conditions are very slim here, at least for the first 5-10 years. And even later it is poverty in comparison with better quality countries and it doesn't actually reflect all the investments people and their families had to put in the education. It seems that one third of every year absolvents goes abroad these days. At least 2/3 of the students consider it as an option worth taking seriously. Can you see any place left for just "not being interested in languages"? Noone cares what you are interested in when you apply for the job abroad. Either you know the language or you don't. It's that simple.
I am not saying only English. English is not as important as people think, at least in Europe. And blindly embracing the one language the current system tells you to embrace is a huge mistake, in my opinion. Many better textbooks are in English, true. But if you want to work in a German, swedish, austrian or french hospital, there are other logical choices. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4670 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 22 of 22 23 September 2013 at 6:56am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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This is true, it's easier for a Continental European MD to get a job in Sweden, Germany or even Switzerland than in UK or Ireland, so in this particular case, Scandinavian languages and German may be more important than English.
British medical establishment prefers Commonwealth doctors (those from India, Pakistan, Australia, NZ) to those from Germany, Italy, Czech Republic... Edited by Medulin on 23 September 2013 at 6:57am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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