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| sctroyenne Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5393 days ago 739 posts - 1312 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Irish | Message 9 of 16 07 February 2014 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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In the US, TV series on pay channels like HBO and Showtime, as well as now Netflix,
have become really popular and they really play up the grittier content they're able to air including "saltier" language to differentiate themselves from regular network and basic cable TV. Some basic cable channels have also been pushing the envelope as far as they can to compete whereas most other channels will still censor themselves to various degrees to avoid trouble with the FCC. The coveted demographic is males ages 18-49 so a lot of channels (even the Food Network) have been gearing their programming to appeal to them, which I imagine is one of the main reasons shows have been getting grittier. They may not be secret meth kingpins but they like to fantasize about how they would survive in that kind of world. TV series are "growing up" which puts more pressure on films to follow suit and one of the clear distinctions of a grown up series/movie (aside from lots of sex, violence, and drugs) is a lot of swearing. I also notice that a lot of college-age/just out of college people who spend time abroad risk picking up a lot of language from their peers that wouldn't be accepted outside that circle without the filter that natives would have learned to use. Though I think native speakers at that age are also starting to lose their filter when it comes to obscene language/content as their private and public lives blur with social media and all that. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4446 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French | Message 10 of 16 07 February 2014 at 11:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The films from Hong Kong are mostly police and Asian crime related. The Western audience get a small portion of
these featuring well-known local actors such as Jackie Chan in "Rush Hour" 1-3 & Chow Yun Fat in "Replacement Killers". When you watch these films in English done with Hollywood collaboration the dialog doesn't sound too bad. But the ones done in Hong Kong in Cantonese you hear swear words and slangs all over by actors who play police officers, criminal gangs and low-income people. The kind of language an educated person wouldn't use in public. Reading the English subtitles of a Jackie Chan film in Cantonese from Hong Kong doesn't give you the same sense of the dirtiest insults you can say to a person as in the original version. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| yantai_scot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4804 days ago 157 posts - 214 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 11 of 16 08 February 2014 at 12:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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British Richard Curtis films seem to exist in their own little bubble socially and
through that language as well. I've always found that everyone is terribly well spoken regardless of regional accent (although the main protagonists seem to speak in Received Pronunciation unless they're American...) and that the swearing is really unrealistic. The words tend to be rather old fashioned swear words or they use highly improbable strings of swear words. Lots of 'bollocks' and 'bloodies' which, in my opinion, are very reserved. Like you might use at work in a bad situation in front of your manager. In reality, I find people tend to use the f and c words far, far more in real life in non-professional circles. And use the f word as an adjective and verb more the lower the social class and higher the amount of alcohol and/or drugs injested... I live in a very working class area of central Scotland and the amount of swearing you hear makes 'Trainspotting' seem like a documentary. It's no exaggeration to say that I've heard conversations/rants where approximately every 3rd word is a swear word.However, I don't know about other cultures/languages. Maybe that's quite normal? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4911 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 12 of 16 08 February 2014 at 1:35am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I've only heard bitch once or twice, and can't ever remember hearing f**k in a Hindi film. I've only seen about 60 Hindi films, but that's probably enough to say they must be uncommon. They do say shit in English a lot, though. But where did you get the idea that they never swear in Hindi? They use a lot of Hindi swearwords which would anger people on the street if you used it around them. Just a few examples are haraam zaade (bastard), kamine (translated as "scoundrels", but don't try calling someone that to their face), saale (also translated as bastard). The subtitles often translate the Hindi swearwords with something more innocuous, but they are there. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4523 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 13 of 16 09 February 2014 at 12:47am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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There is a lot of swearing in Austrian movies/TV series, and this is almost a tradition
(starting somewhere in the 70s I guess). Most of those spoof stereotypical members of certain social classes in Vienna, it's part of the comedy. For the rest of Austria, these stereotypes are not applicable and I doubt it's that extreme in Vienna (I've never experienced anything like that - but that doesn't mean much). edit: I've also heard quite a lot of swearing in Bavarian comedies. Swearing in (Austro- )Bavarian is funny. Swearing in Standard German is lame. I don't think you hear much swearing in your average German movie, except for "Scheiße", which is also heavily used in the real world. Edited by daegga on 09 February 2014 at 12:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4670 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 14 of 16 09 February 2014 at 4:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
try here: http://youtu.be/4puCC8uefUE?t=40s 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| akprocks Senior Member United States Joined 5288 days ago 178 posts - 258 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 15 of 16 09 February 2014 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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TV series with the best examples of true swearing : The Thick of it
I don't think movie swearing is unrealistic, I have friends who swear like sailors, probably worse than in movies. Sometimes it can come off as corny, but in attempting to emulate real life situations, you cannot do it properly without swearing. Typically the situations people are put in in movies are stressful enough to make swearing socially acceptable as in the 'real world'. Edited by akprocks on 09 February 2014 at 5:44pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4911 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 16 of 16 09 February 2014 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Interesting clip. I have the soundtrack to No One Killed Jessica, but haven't seen the film yet. That is the first time I've heard f**k in a Hindi film, but since half of the scene was in English anyway, it's not a good example. Plus, one scene doesn't make a word "not uncommon". 1 person has voted this message useful |
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